RE: SVO fuses 550hp V8 with Range Rover Velar

[st4]

Pintofbest said:

You are completely wrong in your guess as to what is produced where. Cars are build by model line not market and then there are a few oddities with JV in China and Brazil making cars for the local market. As for what is made in Europe for global sales (LHD and RHD):

RR, RRS, Velar, F-pace - Solihull
Jag saloons and F Type - CB
I-Pace - Magna Steyr (sub contract)
E-Pace, Disco - Graz (JLR plant)
Evoque, Disco Sport - Halewood

I know this - re read my post as I said could not they do...

However I suspect they might want to change where they build the cars destined for the EU market - or at least this JIT because it's not going to work anymore.

It's the companies like JLR that need to adapt to Brexit - Brexit and the political direction of our country should not and cannot be adapted to suit JLR etc. They've had ample time to make changes - they haven't - so if they fail that is totally on them.

Edited by st4 on Friday 8th February 13:42

[wst]

The reason they haven't spent the last 2 years changing systems is because they were never given any indication of what they were meant to be planning for.

And don't gripe about the manufacturing processes occurring in different locations. There is a bean counter somewhere that has already done the numbers on that, and found them adequate.

[anonymous-user]

st4 said:

They do - they could build EU (LHD cars) in EU countries and build UK and other RHD cars here and perhaps use less EU made parts for the RHD cars.

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Yes because it’s that easy.

Your weird intervention regarding Brexit and the childlike suggestions you are positing are in danger of derailing this thread.

In your favour this is a whole new line of stupidity to the normal ones which crop up when JLR is discussed.

[MikeyB99]

st4 said:

They do - they could build EU (LHD cars) in EU countries and build UK and other RHD cars here and perhaps use less EU made parts for the RHD cars.

The best one is the BMW mini with the crank milled in France, shipped to England for casting, sent back to Germany to go in an engine, then go back to England to be put in the rest of the car.

It's a truly dreadful way to build anything and BMW harp on about Brexit but have had two years to streamline the manufacturing processes of their cars and parts supplies. Instead of doing that - they've pissed and moaned about the will of the British people. F*ck 'em.

Are you imagining that BMW chose that manufacturing route so they could all have a jolly good laugh one Friday afternoon? Clearly (as with JLR) it's all worked out as whats best for the company, and the British people who work for them, and their families they support, and the British businesses they support. But hey let's just "F*ck 'em" as you say!

[st4]

Brooking10 said:

Yes because it’s that easy.

Your weird intervention regarding Brexit and the childlike suggestions you are positing are in danger of derailing this thread.

In your favour this is a whole new line of stupidity to the normal ones which crop up when JLR is discussed.

Huh? They've had two years plus since the vote. They've not done a thing to help themselves, their business and their customers. To me THAT's stupid...

[st4]

wst said:

The reason they haven't spent the last 2 years changing systems is because they were never given any indication of what they were meant to be planning for.

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Ever heard of the phrase risk management. It's not for the government to tell them what to do - but it is for them to mitigate against political risks to their business - which they've not done one thing to mitigate against Brexit supply chain disruption.

[st4]

MikeyB99 said:

Are you imagining that BMW chose that manufacturing route so they could all have a jolly good laugh one Friday afternoon? Clearly (as with JLR) it's all worked out as whats best for the company:

Again - things change and they've not adapted to the current times. They deserve to sink.

[anonymous-user]

st4 said:

Brooking10 said:

Yes because it’s that easy.

Your weird intervention regarding Brexit and the childlike suggestions you are positing are in danger of derailing this thread.

In your favour this is a whole new line of stupidity to the normal ones which crop up when JLR is discussed.

Huh? They've had two years plus since the vote. They've not done a thing to help themselves, their business and their customers. To me THAT's stupid...

As I say childlike appreciation of the realities of running a global automotive OEM

Weird to detail a thread about a V8 Supercharged 550bhp car with ranting about Brexit.

[st4]

Brooking10 said:

As I say childlike appreciation of the realities of running a global automotive OEM

And yet, if I ran it, it wouldn't be so worried about Brexit as contigencies would have been put in place. It's ran by a bunch of petulant children who cannot accept change and embrace the opportunities that change can bring. It seems to me that I am a rather clever and capable man compared to the man that runs it. All of this hassle was foreseeable pretty early on. Sitting and hoping the problem will go away won't make it go away. A leader needs to step up and take steps to manage the situation. They've not done that. But I am clever, they are not as clever as me.

Brooking10 said:

Weird to detail a thread about a V8 Supercharged 550bhp car with ranting about Brexit.

Actually- my first post was in response to Brexit being mentioned.

It seems weird for you to mention the thread without properly reading it.

Edit - about the car - I don't like it- but I don't like SUVs. The engine belongs in an XF - why they don't make that beats me.

Edited by st4 on Friday 8th February 15:38

[anonymous-user]

st4 said:

Brooking10 said:

As I say childlike appreciation of the realities of running a global automotive OEM

And yet, if I ran it, it wouldn't be so worried about Brexit as contigencies would have been put in place. It's ran by a bunch of petulant children who cannot accept change and embrace the opportunities that change can bring. It seems to me that I am a rather clever and capable man compared to the man that runs it. All of this hassle was foreseeable pretty early on. Sitting and hoping the problem will go away won't make it go away. A leader needs to step up and take steps to manage the situation. They've not done that. But I am clever, they are not as clever as me.

Brooking10 said:

Weird to detail a thread about a V8 Supercharged 550bhp car with ranting about Brexit.

Actually- my first post was in response to Brexit being mentioned.

It seems weird for you to mention the thread without properly reading it.

Edit - about the car - I don't like it- but I don't like SUVs. The engine belongs in an XF - why they don't make that beats me.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 8th February 15:38

You are the bloke who was banned from the Merc place for constantly trolling the AMG section right ?

The one who worked in a low level job at a failed bank which was bailed out with taxpayer money ?

Assuming yes I’ll stick with my view that Ralph Speith is - even in the light of current events -better equipped to run a global OEM than you despite your proudly espoused delusions of grandeur

[nevm3]

Should have offered this in a 2door evoque

[st4]

Brooking10 said:

You are the bloke who was banned from the Merc place for constantly trolling the AMG section right ?

Yes but irrelevant. I was banned based around a forum members lies about my moderation of that forum. Said member could not prove said accusation beyond wild uninformed rants.

Brooking10 said:

The one who worked in a low level job at a failed bank which was bailed out with taxpayer money ?

Never worked for the organisation you allude too - but again irrelevant.

Brooking10 said:

Assuming yes I’ll stick with my view that Ralph Speith is - even in the light of current events -better equipped to run a global OEM than you despite your proudly espoused delusions of grandeur

Do that, but be aware he's had two years to steer his company through this and make contingency plans - he hasn't and now they're going to be in dire straights when the inevitable no deal comes. Had he looked at building more warehouse space, ordering in parts ahead of time rather than just in time, and maybe, just maybe looked beyond Europe for components for the cars they wouldn't be in this predicament. Or maybe even build more cars over in the EU to have access to the single market. There are so many things he could have done, but did nothing.

Yep, that's good leadership. They deserve every success.

[bertie]

They do already have assembly plants outside the UK.....

Pune, India - Jaguar XF, Jaguar XJ, Range Rover Evoque – assembly of complete knock-down kits only

Chery Jaguar Land Rover, Changsu, China - Range Rover Evoque, Land Rover Discovery Sport, Jaguar XE, Jaguar XF

JLR Brazil, Itatiaia, Brazil - Range Rover Evoque

[st4]

bertie said:

They do already have assembly plants outside the UK.....

Pune, India - Jaguar XF, Jaguar XJ, Range Rover Evoque – assembly of complete knock-down kits only

Chery Jaguar Land Rover, Changsu, China - Range Rover Evoque, Land Rover Discovery Sport, Jaguar XE, Jaguar XF

JLR Brazil, Itatiaia, Brazil - Range Rover Evoque

Perhaps time to make UK and RHD market cars ALL within the UK and LHD/EU ones outwith.

Perhaps using less European components and more say US/Asian sourced parts might also be wise and start building up parts within the UK. This isn't hard.

[anonymous-user]

Brooking10 said:

Yes because it’s that easy.

Your weird intervention regarding Brexit and the childlike suggestions you are positing are in danger of derailing this thread.

In your favour this is a whole new line of stupidity to the normal ones which crop up when JLR is discussed.

He's really cringeworthy isn't he?

Dunning-Kruger was never more apt.

[bertie]

I believe Nitra in Sovakia is up and running now making Discovery.

Interesting summary of JLR issues here....

https://www.ft.com/content/6d47592a-2b07-11e9-a5ab...

[sheepman]

bertie said:

I believe Nitra in Sovakia is up and running now making Discovery.

Interesting summary of JLR issues here....

https://www.ft.com/content/6d47592a-2b07-11e9-a5ab...

correct, the last disco rolled off the production line at solihull this week.

[unrepentant]

sheepman said:

bertie said:

I believe Nitra in Sovakia is up and running now making Discovery.

Interesting summary of JLR issues here....

https://www.ft.com/content/6d47592a-2b07-11e9-a5ab...

correct, the last disco rolled off the production line at solihull this week.

We are expecting Slovakian Disco's any time. First ones are at the port in Baltimore already.

[anonymous-user]

Coin Slot. said:

Brooking10 said:

Yes because it’s that easy.

Your weird intervention regarding Brexit and the childlike suggestions you are positing are in danger of derailing this thread.

In your favour this is a whole new line of stupidity to the normal ones which crop up when JLR is discussed.

He's really cringeworthy isn't he?

Dunning-Kruger was never more apt.

[nickfrog]

st4 said:

Perhaps time to make UK and RHD market cars ALL within the UK and LHD/EU ones outwith.

Perhaps using less European components and more say US/Asian sourced parts might also be wise and start building up parts within the UK. This isn't hard.

I am not sure you completely grasp the industrial realities of car production. There isn't such a thing as a LHD or RHD, they are just options like a sunroof. Splitting factories would defeat the object of mass production and lose a catastrophically disproportional amount of economies of scale. It's all about critical mass.
It may work if you have huge volumes and/or can afford to sacrifice production costs in case of a massive and sustained surge in demand but in this case I doubt it would make sense.