RE: Next Porsche Cayman GT4 due this spring
Discussion
Helicopter123 said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Anyone that moans at this should be kicked and banned from PistonHeads. Pure perfection.
This.Mid-engined
No turbo
Manual
The 911 has become bloated and GT like in recent years. This is the true antidote for that 'progress'.
Still enjoying my 981 GT4 (3 years old, 1 owner car, 9k miles including 3 trackdays - so it does get some use although it's not an everyday driver) and would very much welcome an allocation for this one. I think it will have small but noticeable improvements in most of the areas that matter to a keen driver.
A front axle lift option would help too please, Porsche - the car grounds out pretty much whenever the road surface is even slightly v-shaped!
A front axle lift option would help too please, Porsche - the car grounds out pretty much whenever the road surface is even slightly v-shaped!
Porsche GT products are obviously fantastic but the way they are allocated leaves a bad taste. It wreaks of profiteering and ironically, it seems to be the DP at the OPCs that make the most of GT products, it's just wrong but I guess, it's the way it is.
The GT4 is out of my price bracket but I would love to pick one up eventually. I saw a 991.1 GT3 RS recently at an OPC with 200 miles on the clock. It looked stunning. Absolute waste. I mean, 200 miles......
Rant over.
On a more positive note, I can't wait to see it (and hear it) in the flesh.
The GT4 is out of my price bracket but I would love to pick one up eventually. I saw a 991.1 GT3 RS recently at an OPC with 200 miles on the clock. It looked stunning. Absolute waste. I mean, 200 miles......
Rant over.
On a more positive note, I can't wait to see it (and hear it) in the flesh.
Blink982 said:
Porsche GT products are obviously fantastic but the way they are allocated leaves a bad taste. It wreaks of profiteering and ironically, it seems to be the DP at the OPCs that make the most of GT products, it's just wrong but I guess, it's the way it is.
The GT4 is out of my price bracket but I would love to pick one up eventually. I saw a 991.1 GT3 RS recently at an OPC with 200 miles on the clock. It looked stunning. Absolute waste. I mean, 200 miles......
Rant over.
On a more positive note, I can't wait to see it (and hear it) in the flesh.
Out of interest, where Porsche have a car where demand far outstrips supply, how should they be allocated?The GT4 is out of my price bracket but I would love to pick one up eventually. I saw a 991.1 GT3 RS recently at an OPC with 200 miles on the clock. It looked stunning. Absolute waste. I mean, 200 miles......
Rant over.
On a more positive note, I can't wait to see it (and hear it) in the flesh.
Sandpit Steve said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Anyone that moans at this should be kicked and banned from PistonHeads. Pure perfection.
The moans will be about the dealers and speculators, rather than the car itself. Let’s face it, it’s going to be f
king fantastic, and every magazine’s car of the year 2019. I wouldn't believe everything you read...magazines have a habit of saying some cars are the second coming.
A friend managed to get a 991.2 GT3. Amazed me as he has never (and without overs would never, ever) buy a new car, neverthelsess a new Porsche. Anyway, as part of the "deal" he had to buy a GT4 the dealer had. The dealer took it back at the same price when the GT3 arrived. Said friend drove the GT3 for 6 months and flipped for a big profit (he got out just before prices stalled). However, although he really liked the GT3 he said that for driving on the roads he actually preferred the GT4, the GT3 being just too quick.
SidewaysSi said:
I thought the old one was hugely competent but lacking in excitement. Fine if you are used your driving an Audi but it didn't do much for me.
I wouldn't believe everything you read...magazines have a habit of saying some cars are the second coming.
And not forgetting where their revenue comes from I wouldn't believe everything you read...magazines have a habit of saying some cars are the second coming.
Esceptico said:
A friend managed to get a 991.2 GT3. Amazed me as he has never (and without overs would never, ever) buy a new car, neverthelsess a new Porsche. Anyway, as part of the "deal" he had to buy a GT4 the dealer had. The dealer took it back at the same price when the GT3 arrived. Said friend drove the GT3 for 6 months and flipped for a big profit (he got out just before prices stalled). However, although he really liked the GT3 he said that for driving on the roads he actually preferred the GT4, the GT3 being just too quick.
Intresting, daily driving something with GT4 pace, I would agree as even that I rarely get to use in anger... And SidewaysSI saying the GT4 isn't all that either. What modern sports car is the one to have then? A110 or MX-5 then, depending on budget? No reason then to be all jealous on those who spend way too much on a GT car 
yonex said:
SidewaysSi said:
I thought the old one was hugely competent but lacking in excitement. Fine if you are used your driving an Audi but it didn't do much for me.
I wouldn't believe everything you read...magazines have a habit of saying some cars are the second coming.
And not forgetting where their revenue comes from I wouldn't believe everything you read...magazines have a habit of saying some cars are the second coming.
No doubt it will be car of the year in every mag and be lauded as the greatest gift to mankind.
But reality is I reckon plenty of PHers would get more fun out of a MX5 for example.
Onehp said:
Esceptico said:
A friend managed to get a 991.2 GT3. Amazed me as he has never (and without overs would never, ever) buy a new car, neverthelsess a new Porsche. Anyway, as part of the "deal" he had to buy a GT4 the dealer had. The dealer took it back at the same price when the GT3 arrived. Said friend drove the GT3 for 6 months and flipped for a big profit (he got out just before prices stalled). However, although he really liked the GT3 he said that for driving on the roads he actually preferred the GT4, the GT3 being just too quick.
Intresting, daily driving something with GT4 pace, I would agree as even that I rarely get to use in anger... And SidewaysSI saying the GT4 isn't all that either. What modern sports car is the one to have then? A110 or MX-5 then, depending on budget? No reason then to be all jealous on those who spend way too much on a GT car They are very fine cars - extremely capable and if I regularly did fast Euro hoons, a brilliant car for that role.
But if like me you do 90% of your driving on road in the UK, perhaps with some track days thrown in then there are more fun cars out there for a load less cash.
Where the GT4 fell short for me was the steering was over assisted and it took too much commitment to push it on road. Then there is the infamous gearing issue...
Add to that a low splitter and pretty poor fuel economy (a minor consideration but something to think about), I just came to the conclusion that I really wasn't enjoying it that much at all.
Alongside my Elise, it was heavy, too insulated, too quiet and quite a few rungs down the ladder from a communication and excitement point of view.
In over a year of owning it, not once did I ever think to take it out for fun - alongside my other toys (Caterham and Lotus) it was nowhere.
But as I said, for the man coming from a newish BMW, Audi etc., they may well like it.
All depends on your wants, needs and expectations of a driver's car.
Personally, for similar money and forgetting the crazy lightweight stuff, I would lean far more towards a classic eg an air cooled 911 or a tweaked Alfa or BMW for my Sunday thrills.
SidewaysSi said:
Onehp said:
Esceptico said:
A friend managed to get a 991.2 GT3. Amazed me as he has never (and without overs would never, ever) buy a new car, neverthelsess a new Porsche. Anyway, as part of the "deal" he had to buy a GT4 the dealer had. The dealer took it back at the same price when the GT3 arrived. Said friend drove the GT3 for 6 months and flipped for a big profit (he got out just before prices stalled). However, although he really liked the GT3 he said that for driving on the roads he actually preferred the GT4, the GT3 being just too quick.
Intresting, daily driving something with GT4 pace, I would agree as even that I rarely get to use in anger... And SidewaysSI saying the GT4 isn't all that either. What modern sports car is the one to have then? A110 or MX-5 then, depending on budget? No reason then to be all jealous on those who spend way too much on a GT car They are very fine cars - extremely capable and if I regularly did fast Euro hoons, a brilliant car for that role.
But if like me you do 90% of your driving on road in the UK, perhaps with some track days thrown in then there are more fun cars out there for a load less cash.
Where the GT4 fell short for me was the steering was over assisted and it took too much commitment to push it on road. Then there is the infamous gearing issue...
Add to that a low splitter and pretty poor fuel economy (a minor consideration but something to think about), I just came to the conclusion that I really wasn't enjoying it that much at all.
Alongside my Elise, it was heavy, too insulated, too quiet and quite a few rungs down the ladder from a communication and excitement point of view.
In over a year of owning it, not once did I ever think to take it out for fun - alongside my other toys (Caterham and Lotus) it was nowhere.
But as I said, for the man coming from a newish BMW, Audi etc., they may well like it.
All depends on your wants, needs and expectations of a driver's car.
Personally, for similar money and forgetting the crazy lightweight stuff, I would lean far more towards a classic eg an air cooled 911 or a tweaked Alfa or BMW for my Sunday thrills.
Personally I also prefer an early 911. The only advantage of the GT3/4 is that I wouldn't worry about using them in the winter - from experience early 911s don't like salt.
SidewaysSi said:
I wouldn't be jealous of a new Porsche GT driver at all.
They are very fine cars - extremely capable and if I regularly did fast Euro hoons, a brilliant car for that role.
But if like me you do 90% of your driving on road in the UK, perhaps with some track days thrown in then there are more fun cars out there for a load less cash.
Where the GT4 fell short for me was the steering was over assisted and it took too much commitment to push it on road. Then there is the infamous gearing issue...
Add to that a low splitter and pretty poor fuel economy (a minor consideration but something to think about), I just came to the conclusion that I really wasn't enjoying it that much at all.
Alongside my Elise, it was heavy, too insulated, too quiet and quite a few rungs down the ladder from a communication and excitement point of view.
In over a year of owning it, not once did I ever think to take it out for fun - alongside my other toys (Caterham and Lotus) it was nowhere.
But as I said, for the man coming from a newish BMW, Audi etc., they may well like it.
All depends on your wants, needs and expectations of a driver's car.
Personally, for similar money and forgetting the crazy lightweight stuff, I would lean far more towards a classic eg an air cooled 911 or a tweaked Alfa or BMW for my Sunday thrills.
The only thing that I can agree with you on is that the potential for grounding on the slightest of slopes is a PITA. I always look forward to driving it and it always makes me smile when I do. It's the perfect weapon for the long haul over to Spa and is exciting to drive on the track. I've owned boxsters, an aircooled 964C2 (track modified) and a Cayman R. The GT4 beats them all. The new one will no doubt be 10% better than my old one but won't sound as good because of the new exhaust filter (but that will be a bonus for track driving because the old one gets black flagged for noise on a lot of circuits).They are very fine cars - extremely capable and if I regularly did fast Euro hoons, a brilliant car for that role.
But if like me you do 90% of your driving on road in the UK, perhaps with some track days thrown in then there are more fun cars out there for a load less cash.
Where the GT4 fell short for me was the steering was over assisted and it took too much commitment to push it on road. Then there is the infamous gearing issue...
Add to that a low splitter and pretty poor fuel economy (a minor consideration but something to think about), I just came to the conclusion that I really wasn't enjoying it that much at all.
Alongside my Elise, it was heavy, too insulated, too quiet and quite a few rungs down the ladder from a communication and excitement point of view.
In over a year of owning it, not once did I ever think to take it out for fun - alongside my other toys (Caterham and Lotus) it was nowhere.
But as I said, for the man coming from a newish BMW, Audi etc., they may well like it.
All depends on your wants, needs and expectations of a driver's car.
Personally, for similar money and forgetting the crazy lightweight stuff, I would lean far more towards a classic eg an air cooled 911 or a tweaked Alfa or BMW for my Sunday thrills.
Esceptico said:
SidewaysSi said:
Onehp said:
Esceptico said:
A friend managed to get a 991.2 GT3. Amazed me as he has never (and without overs would never, ever) buy a new car, neverthelsess a new Porsche. Anyway, as part of the "deal" he had to buy a GT4 the dealer had. The dealer took it back at the same price when the GT3 arrived. Said friend drove the GT3 for 6 months and flipped for a big profit (he got out just before prices stalled). However, although he really liked the GT3 he said that for driving on the roads he actually preferred the GT4, the GT3 being just too quick.
Intresting, daily driving something with GT4 pace, I would agree as even that I rarely get to use in anger... And SidewaysSI saying the GT4 isn't all that either. What modern sports car is the one to have then? A110 or MX-5 then, depending on budget? No reason then to be all jealous on those who spend way too much on a GT car They are very fine cars - extremely capable and if I regularly did fast Euro hoons, a brilliant car for that role.
But if like me you do 90% of your driving on road in the UK, perhaps with some track days thrown in then there are more fun cars out there for a load less cash.
Where the GT4 fell short for me was the steering was over assisted and it took too much commitment to push it on road. Then there is the infamous gearing issue...
Add to that a low splitter and pretty poor fuel economy (a minor consideration but something to think about), I just came to the conclusion that I really wasn't enjoying it that much at all.
Alongside my Elise, it was heavy, too insulated, too quiet and quite a few rungs down the ladder from a communication and excitement point of view.
In over a year of owning it, not once did I ever think to take it out for fun - alongside my other toys (Caterham and Lotus) it was nowhere.
But as I said, for the man coming from a newish BMW, Audi etc., they may well like it.
All depends on your wants, needs and expectations of a driver's car.
Personally, for similar money and forgetting the crazy lightweight stuff, I would lean far more towards a classic eg an air cooled 911 or a tweaked Alfa or BMW for my Sunday thrills.
Personally I also prefer an early 911. The only advantage of the GT3/4 is that I wouldn't worry about using them in the winter - from experience early 911s don't like salt.
boxsey said:
SidewaysSi said:
I wouldn't be jealous of a new Porsche GT driver at all.
They are very fine cars - extremely capable and if I regularly did fast Euro hoons, a brilliant car for that role.
But if like me you do 90% of your driving on road in the UK, perhaps with some track days thrown in then there are more fun cars out there for a load less cash.
Where the GT4 fell short for me was the steering was over assisted and it took too much commitment to push it on road. Then there is the infamous gearing issue...
Add to that a low splitter and pretty poor fuel economy (a minor consideration but something to think about), I just came to the conclusion that I really wasn't enjoying it that much at all.
Alongside my Elise, it was heavy, too insulated, too quiet and quite a few rungs down the ladder from a communication and excitement point of view.
In over a year of owning it, not once did I ever think to take it out for fun - alongside my other toys (Caterham and Lotus) it was nowhere.
But as I said, for the man coming from a newish BMW, Audi etc., they may well like it.
All depends on your wants, needs and expectations of a driver's car.
Personally, for similar money and forgetting the crazy lightweight stuff, I would lean far more towards a classic eg an air cooled 911 or a tweaked Alfa or BMW for my Sunday thrills.
The only thing that I can agree with you on is that the potential for grounding on the slightest of slopes is a PITA. I always look forward to driving it and it always makes me smile when I do. It's the perfect weapon for the long haul over to Spa and is exciting to drive on the track. I've owned boxsters, an aircooled 964C2 (track modified) and a Cayman R. The GT4 beats them all. The new one will no doubt be 10% better than my old one but won't sound as good because of the new exhaust filter (but that will be a bonus for track driving because the old one gets black flagged for noise on a lot of circuits).They are very fine cars - extremely capable and if I regularly did fast Euro hoons, a brilliant car for that role.
But if like me you do 90% of your driving on road in the UK, perhaps with some track days thrown in then there are more fun cars out there for a load less cash.
Where the GT4 fell short for me was the steering was over assisted and it took too much commitment to push it on road. Then there is the infamous gearing issue...
Add to that a low splitter and pretty poor fuel economy (a minor consideration but something to think about), I just came to the conclusion that I really wasn't enjoying it that much at all.
Alongside my Elise, it was heavy, too insulated, too quiet and quite a few rungs down the ladder from a communication and excitement point of view.
In over a year of owning it, not once did I ever think to take it out for fun - alongside my other toys (Caterham and Lotus) it was nowhere.
But as I said, for the man coming from a newish BMW, Audi etc., they may well like it.
All depends on your wants, needs and expectations of a driver's car.
Personally, for similar money and forgetting the crazy lightweight stuff, I would lean far more towards a classic eg an air cooled 911 or a tweaked Alfa or BMW for my Sunday thrills.
Si's experience is owning 2 very lightweight cars who are renowned for an immerse raw driving experience vs yourself with a background in other Porsches. Yes this ignores other driving experience but based on what you choose to own I can see why the GT4 beats them all for you but doesn't for SI.
Mince said:
Based on comparing the garages of yourself and SidewaysSi you've pretty much proved his point...
Si's experience is owning 2 very lightweight cars who are renowned for an immerse raw driving experience vs yourself with a background in other Porsches. Yes this ignores other driving experience but based on what you choose to own I can see why the GT4 beats them all for you but doesn't for SI.
Actually, I already understood the point that Si was making but wanted to show that there other views from GT4 owners. I knock about at track days with half dozen other GT4 owners who have a diverse car ownership and track day (and racing) background. All of us are very enthusiastic about the GT4 package. Especially it's ability to combine road trips and trackdays with ease. None of us could be classed as the BMW, Audi man brigade.Si's experience is owning 2 very lightweight cars who are renowned for an immerse raw driving experience vs yourself with a background in other Porsches. Yes this ignores other driving experience but based on what you choose to own I can see why the GT4 beats them all for you but doesn't for SI.
I've never owned a lotus but appreciate their qualities. However, I've never considered switching to one because I think it would be too tiring and uncomfortable on long road trips. I often hear this from folk that have switched from a Lotus to a Porsche (especially as they get older). A caterham for trackdays I consider to be a trailer only car. So even more tiring for the long trips. I've hired and driven a Caterham on track. I found it too capable and dare I say too easy, to drive quickly on track. After trying one, I much preferred going back to the challenge of my older 964 which although slower, I found more rewarding to drive. Now that the years are advancing I prefer the GT4 because it's a great all rounder. Rewarding to drive when pushed to its much higher limits but without the need for constant maintenance (and upgrades) in between trackdays that the old 964 needed.
I have no experience of the GT4, but the GT3s I've experienced have always felt more 911 than not... which isn't a bad thing if you accept them for what they are; nothing weighing 1300kg+ is ever going to feel like a Caterham or an Elise, and nor should it try to because it would just end up bad at everything. A GT4 is never going to be a car for me - it's too sensible for a toy and too impractical for a family car... but for someone who wants its particular blend of refinement and fun I suspect it's probably pretty much peerless. It's just a shame demand is likely to out-strip supply by such a margin.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 7th February 16:13
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