RE: 812 Superfast Nordschleife lap: Time For Coffee

[seawise]

sounds glorious, looks terrifying - not it's natural habitat, very impressive considering.

[mekondelta]

Did they have to call it a Superfast? Couldn't it have been given an Italian name? Quattroporte sounds so much more magnificent than '4 door', they could have called it Superveloce instead?

[J4CKO]

mekondelta said:

Did they have to call it a Superfast? Couldn't it have been given an Italian name? Quattroporte sounds so much more magnificent than '4 door', they could have called it Superveloce instead?

Dont mind the name but it reminds me of Matchbox toy cars "Superfast by Lesney"

[nickfrog]

Onehp said:

None are mid engine... By similar standards, they are roughly equally fast apparently from the post above...

Thanks I always thought the LFA was !! It looks it as I can't believe how short the bonnet is for a V10. Obviously the Ferrari is front engine although one could argue they are both mid engine as their engines are behind the front axle. Although I suppose they are front mid engine then ;-)

[daveco]

J4CKO said:

mekondelta said:

Did they have to call it a Superfast? Couldn't it have been given an Italian name? Quattroporte sounds so much more magnificent than '4 door', they could have called it Superveloce instead?

Dont mind the name but it reminds me of Matchbox toy cars "Superfast by Lesney"

"Super Veloce" in Italian parlance. Sounds a bit better.


NA 800hp V12...great to see Lamborghini and Ferrari deploying their engineering prowess (And AM/Cosworth to sh*t all over them soon enough )

[Onehp]

nickfrog said:

Thanks I always thought the LFA was !! It looks it as I can't believe how short the bonnet is for a V10. Obviously the Ferrari is front engine although one could argue they are both mid engine as their engines are behind the front axle. Although I suppose they are front mid engine then ;-)

You are correct, they actually are mid engined both, but not in the usual sense. And at least the Superfast has actually more weight in the rear axle, thanks to the transaxle with the gearbox where a 911 has its engine...

[toohuge]

mekondelta said:

Did they have to call it a Superfast? Couldn't it have been given an Italian name? Quattroporte sounds so much more magnificent than '4 door', they could have called it Superveloce instead?

Unless I’m due a parrot - I believe it’s to pay homage to the 500 superfast of the 60’s. A very special car.

[Baddie]

toohuge said:

mekondelta said:

Did they have to call it a Superfast? Couldn't it have been given an Italian name? Quattroporte sounds so much more magnificent than '4 door', they could have called it Superveloce instead?

Unless I’m due a parrot - I believe it’s to pay homage to the 500 superfast of the 60’s. A very special car.

Indeed, 500 Superfast, with a 5 litre 400 hp version of the Columbo V12

[CharlieAlphaMike]

J4CKO said:

Corsa Tyres, 195 65 15 ?

They want to try some bigger, Ferrari sized tyres, would be much faster !

Astra's and Vectra's have bigger tyres don't they? Maybe they should try those as a starting point

[Onehp]

CharlieAlphaMike said:

Astra's and Vectra's have bigger tyres don't they? Maybe they should try those as a starting point

Perhaps they have playstation tyres, too?

PS4 anyone?

[RESTELL]

Wow, its only 6 seconds SLOWER than a Jaguar XE. Impressive

[BeirutTaxi]

Basically/practically no faster than a 991 Carrera S despite 400bhp extra.. AND the Nurburgring is a fast track with plenty of straights.

Edited by BeirutTaxi on Friday 8th February 17:12

[jason61c]

Baddie said:

Cool video, great car.

Can someone more versed with the ‘Ring explain why the LFA went round faster years ago with more than 200 HP less and only about 100kg lighter?

Maybe is just because its a 'better' car? More complete package? One of the best N/A engines ever?

[MDL111]

nickfrog said:

Baddie said:

Can someone more versed with the ‘Ring explain why the LFA went round faster years ago with more than 200 HP less and only about 100kg lighter?

A combination of law if diminishing returns, better traction out of a mid engine layout, different tyres, perhaps different gearing, perhaps different track conditions.

professional (factory?) racer with many laps of practice in the car vs standardised SportAuto format with a very good driver (see 918, GT2RS, GT3RS laps for comparison factory vs SportAuto time as well)

[noble12345]

Time.. to speed the video up! its the Ferrari SuperSlow, wibble wobble metal bathtub







At least driving it you cant see the black plague boils surrounding the exhausts or that it looks like a boxster crashed into a corvette from the back.

Funny how the Supra got slagged to fk when it looks just like this design mess to my eyes.

[Baddie]

MDL111 said:

nickfrog said:

Baddie said:

Can someone more versed with the ‘Ring explain why the LFA went round faster years ago with more than 200 HP less and only about 100kg lighter?

A combination of law if diminishing returns, better traction out of a mid engine layout, different tyres, perhaps different gearing, perhaps different track conditions.

professional (factory?) racer with many laps of practice in the car vs standardised SportAuto format with a very good driver (see 918, GT2RS, GT3RS laps for comparison factory vs SportAuto time as well)

Dunno, no 4WS, 1.7 litres less capacity, 2.5-3 secs slower to 100mph, slower still to 150... only 100 kg ish lighter, similar weight distribution, 812 has more downforce than the F12.

Ferrari are supposed to “optimise” their cars for these tests yet the official factory driver was only 3 sec quicker than the vid, so still 12 sec off the LFA N’ring’s best. The German mag in question has been accused of sandbagging any non-German car. Guess it must have been “optimal” conditions for the LFA, even though Harris was amazed a car with number plates could do what it did.

I’m a Ferrari fan, but had expected more from the 812, esp given Aventador times, and even more so compared to the much older LFA. Guess racing there until it won its class helped.

[Kawasicki]

That looks like huge fun.

[nickfrog]

noble12345 said:

Time.. to speed the video up! its the Ferrari SuperSlow, wibble wobble metal bathtub







At least driving it you cant see the black plague boils surrounding the exhausts or that it looks like a boxster crashed into a corvette from the back.

Funny how the Supra got slagged to fk when it looks just like this design mess to my eyes.

So it's slow and ugly. I'd love to know what you drive, it must be pretty special by contrast.

[Onehp]

I see two reasons:
Tyres - Cup 2 R or Trofeo R tyres would cut the time significantly
Weight - fuelled up with driver we're looking at 1800kg+

[Pericoloso]

mekondelta said:

Did they have to call it a Superfast? Couldn't it have been given an Italian name? Quattroporte sounds so much more magnificent than '4 door', they could have called it Superveloce instead?

Alfa Romeo use Veloce in their range and Lamborghini sort of use Super Veloce on their SV /SVJ cars.