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Is Eric recovering from the Chinese brandy?
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Best open another bottle
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Best open another bottle
Tigger2050 said:
The Subaru is a good car and pretty fast if driven so. I don't think anyone would say that it was not faster than a 320D if driven in anger.
I think what people mean is that in real world driving the BMW will be faster in most situations due to its much greater torque available from low revs.
Do you really drop the Subaru into third from sixth at motorway speeds all the time? If you rev it high enough you will get more power at the wheels than is possible in the 320D , however most people rarely drive them this way, the 320D driver will just be flooring it in the higher gear and the torque will be giving him more instant power, unless you are driving the Subaru constantly very high up its rev range.
The Legacy can plod along at 80mph while at 3k rpm so there is ample leg room to get into silly speeds with no lag at speeds faster than what a 320D could do - the derv has good low down torque but thats where it begins and ends - what about its hopeless mid range torque when it would be left behind wheezing away waiting for the turbo to kick in while a decent petrol would leave it easily - besides its a horrible engine I cant believe any true petrol head actually aspires to a car like that but its the sign of the times and doesnt say much does it when people now are more concerned about saving pennies and getting more 'mpg' than actually having a decent petrol engine. This mindset has happned in Ireland years back when they were brainwashed on diesel and the Irish Government effectively ruled out petrol cars due to some crazy tax (or VED) rates and now that depressing mindset has well and truly arrived over in BlightyI think what people mean is that in real world driving the BMW will be faster in most situations due to its much greater torque available from low revs.
Do you really drop the Subaru into third from sixth at motorway speeds all the time? If you rev it high enough you will get more power at the wheels than is possible in the 320D , however most people rarely drive them this way, the 320D driver will just be flooring it in the higher gear and the torque will be giving him more instant power, unless you are driving the Subaru constantly very high up its rev range.
Edited by ericmcn on Monday 4th March 00:45
OzzyR1 said:
Lets forget 0-60 figures. Outside of magazines, unless you are prepared to fry your clutch at each and every traffic light it's a meaningless stat.
The example you put forward - 0.2 seconds difference. Takes me longer to blink nowadays and any "race" would be more dependant on the driver's reaction times than anything else.
I maintain my position; having owned a Spec B Legacy I am therefore qualified to proclaim it as a total s
t-heap and must assume that Eric is trolling this thread.
in retrorespect I would say you are trolling, most people seem to rate the Legacy, i dont think anyone other than some spiteful troll on PH has ever said its a sThe example you put forward - 0.2 seconds difference. Takes me longer to blink nowadays and any "race" would be more dependant on the driver's reaction times than anything else.
I maintain my position; having owned a Spec B Legacy I am therefore qualified to proclaim it as a total s
t-heap and must assume that Eric is trolling this thread. t heap or have I hit too many nerves on here bashing diesels, looks like it.do ye guys drink diesel for breakfast instead of coffee?
Edited by ericmcn on Monday 4th March 00:44
ericmcn said:
The Legacy can plod along at 80mph while at 3k rpm so there is ample leg room to get into silly speeds with no lag at speeds faster than what a 320D could do - the derv has good low down torque but thats where it begins and ends - what about its hopeless mid range torque when it would be left behind wheezing away waiting for the turbo to kick in while a decent petrol would leave it easily - besides its a horrible engine I cant believe any true petrol head actually aspires to a car like that but its the sign of the times and doesnt say much does it when people now are more concerned about saving pennies and getting more 'mpg' than actually having a decent petrol engine. This mindset has happned in Ireland years back when they were brainwashed on diesel and the Irish Government effectively ruled out petrol cars due to some crazy tax (or VED) rates and now that depressing mindset has well and trule arrived over in Blighty
I think you have modern turbo diesels wrong here. The low to mid range is where they are at their strongest with peak torque in this mid range, they run out of puff at the top end of their rev range.It as at the top end where the Subaru gains its advantage in power with its ability to rev much further. If you drive your Subaru in low gears all the time to maintain its power advantage it will always be faster. Is that how you drive it though, how many do?
If both get floored in 6th at 70 mph there is only one winner and it ain't the Subaru.
Edited by Tigger2050 on Monday 4th March 01:07
ericmcn said:
in retrorespect I would say you are trolling, most people seem to rate the Legacy, i dont think anyone other than some spiteful troll on PH has ever said its a st heap or have I hit too many nerves on here bashing diesels, looks like it.
do ye guys drink diesel for breakfast instead of coffee?
I can't stand diesels. Never owned one, never will. I still think you're totally mental.t heap or have I hit too many nerves on here bashing diesels, looks like it.do ye guys drink diesel for breakfast instead of coffee?
Edited by ericmcn on Monday 4th March 00:44
ericmcn said:
OzzyR1 said:
Lets forget 0-60 figures. Outside of magazines, unless you are prepared to fry your clutch at each and every traffic light it's a meaningless stat.
The example you put forward - 0.2 seconds difference. Takes me longer to blink nowadays and any "race" would be more dependant on the driver's reaction times than anything else.
I maintain my position; having owned a Spec B Legacy I am therefore qualified to proclaim it as a total st-heap and must assume that Eric is trolling this thread.
in retrorespect I would say you are trolling, most people seem to rate the Legacy, i dont think anyone other than some spiteful troll on PH has ever said its a sThe example you put forward - 0.2 seconds difference. Takes me longer to blink nowadays and any "race" would be more dependant on the driver's reaction times than anything else.
I maintain my position; having owned a Spec B Legacy I am therefore qualified to proclaim it as a total s
t-heap and must assume that Eric is trolling this thread. t heap or have I hit too many nerves on here bashing diesels, looks like it.do ye guys drink diesel for breakfast instead of coffee?
Edited by ericmcn on Monday 4th March 00:44
And as for the driving experience, I would pick any 3 series over the Legacy as they handle and steer a lot better. A more engaging car in that respect, irrespective of engine.
Back when I had to have a company car 2.0 diesels were the only real choice. Out of those it was usually the 320d that was pick of the bunch of you liked cars. It was RWD and typically the most powerful. A tuning box that you could transfer between cars every few years and not worry too much about being caught out would see them comfortably over 200bhp and likely closer to 220.
Did I aspire to own a diesel? No - My personal preference is a big NA petrol but it's not an option open to everyone - and wasn't for me at the time. To look down on people driving a diesel as non enthusiasts is pathetic.
Did I aspire to own a diesel? No - My personal preference is a big NA petrol but it's not an option open to everyone - and wasn't for me at the time. To look down on people driving a diesel as non enthusiasts is pathetic.
ericmcn said:
SidewaysSi said:
Actually it was due to an incompetent Subaru driver coming the wrong way down the road.
The Subaru got smashed to pieces and completely written off.
hahaha, A Subaru would leave the RWD BMWs for dead in this weather, or in this case sideways against a ditch it seemsThe Subaru got smashed to pieces and completely written off.
This thread has regressed into another 'Eric Vs The Winter Tyre Fans' shoot out.
SidewaysSi said:
ericmcn said:
SidewaysSi said:
Actually it was due to an incompetent Subaru driver coming the wrong way down the road.
The Subaru got smashed to pieces and completely written off.
hahaha, A Subaru would leave the RWD BMWs for dead in this weather, or in this case sideways against a ditch it seemsThe Subaru got smashed to pieces and completely written off.
HM-2 said:
ericmcn said:
A Subaru would leave the RWD BMWs for dead in this weather
Mid-teens and glorious sunshine here, so I doubt it.Edited by nickfrog on Monday 4th March 16:19
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