RE: New electrified straight-six for Range Rover Sport

[dunnoreally]

I'm guessing this engine, minus hybrid bumf, making its way into the XE would probably be too much to ask?

[Harry_523]

So a 400bhp single turbo straight 6, no turbo lag, and 30mpg in a 2.4 tonne car.

thats way more powerful and efficient than the V6 it replaces, and probably as fast in the real world as the V8 it replaces as the e-supercharger will give peak torque at F-all rpm.

so in all, a great piece of home grown engineering. Well done JLR.

[sgtBerbatov]

bungz said:

sgtBerbatov said:

Not really. But consider that it's a V6 delivering 400bhp that's capable of 30.5mpg then I think that's quite good. Hell my 1.6 diesel doesn't even top 36mpg!

Good lord what is the engine in

Peugeot 3008 1.6 HDi.

Only 3 more months of putting up with it then it's gone forever!

[Macboy]

So is this going to be the new Morgan engine in petrol-only form I wonder?

[300bhp/ton]

bakerstreet said:

30mpg. How can they call that progress?!? I wonder how it compares to the politically unpopular diesel four pot. More electrics in this new HST. Great news for buyers in 5 to 10 years time as Land Rover have a great reputation when it comes reliability!

The article doesn't quote NEDC or whatever the current EU standard is, it just says economy.

So you need to compare this engine with what there currently is in the same sort of vehicle and then compare power and Co2 also.

A quick look on the LR site says 300bhp 2.0 is 23mpg..... so this would seem to be a decent improvement.

bakerstreet said:

LR need to raise their game on almost all areas. The new Defender certainly won't be the saviour of LR. My gut feel it will be out of date by the time its launched!

Out of date in what way??

[anonymous-user]

Gojira said:

Cold said:

Would someone message me once we've reached 500 posts of how JLR should be doing things differently and why their PH ideas of how to run the company are so much better and guaranteed to be successful. It'll be so much easier to read the thread in one go.
Obviously you can contact me sooner should "Defender" or "core values" be mentioned as that's always funny.

This....

It amazes me how quick some folks are to try and trample on anything JLR do - it is almost like they -want- a major technical employer in the UK to fail

Have another .....This

Has anybody piped up about how JLR are trying to sabotage Brexit yet ?

[Digga]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

My mate who works for JLR brought an I-Pace round the other day and took me for a quick spin. Very impressive bit of kit. I'm amazed and puzzled (and not a little disappointed) that this tech is not yet available as a LR.

[350Matt]

how are they stopping Brexit then?

Edited by 350Matt on Wednesday 13th February 12:33

[daveco]

Harry_523 said:

So a 400bhp single turbo straight 6, no turbo lag, and 30mpg in a 2.4 tonne car.

thats way more powerful and efficient than the V6 it replaces, and probably as fast in the real world as the V8 it replaces as the e-supercharger will give peak torque at F-all rpm.

so in all, a great piece of home grown engineering. Well done JLR.

+1

So many negative posts.

How many other SUVs out there will drive as smoothly, perform as well, look this good, and return 30+ mpg realistically?

[oldtimer2]

Good to see this appear now as it is needed as an alternative to diesel, offering torque at low speed from a petrol engine. I expect it will also appear in facelifted Jaguar XE and XFs. Perhaps coupled with a comprehensive improvement of the Jaguar interiors it will help make them more competitive and bring some badly needed volume to Jaguar`s Castle Bromwich factory. Poor sales of the XE and XF are a contributor to JLR`s current problems.

[JonnyVTEC]

NicoG said:

Amen - The article is clearly making quite some noise about this interesting new powertrain from JLR and the way it moves thing on, when in fact as Tonker says, what has it really achieved...? fk all ...

A whole decade after my RRS was built, a PETROL engine with start/stop, in a Aluminium RRS, with Battery-electric assistance manages just a 30g of CO2 improvement over the satanic diesel variant I owned.

I'd wager that if you couple the hybrid tech from this new car with start stop into the old Steel / diesel RRS you'd see comparable CO2 figure, which means that 10 years on, it's really not achieved much at all.

That's the point of mentioning "what my old car was capable of" ? - to give context to the purported "progress" of more accurately lack of it....

Edited by NicoG on Wednesday 13th February 10:43

Well there’s no urea tank to fill and the fuel is 8p a litre cheaper. There’s some progress... oh and loads more power.

[Fittster]

Macboy said:

So is this going to be the new Morgan engine in petrol-only form I wonder?

Are Morgan small enough to avoid environmental legislation?

[B10]

Gojira said:

Cold said:

Would someone message me once we've reached 500 posts of how JLR should be doing things differently and why their PH ideas of how to run the company are so much better and guaranteed to be successful. It'll be so much easier to read the thread in one go.
Obviously you can contact me sooner should "Defender" or "core values" be mentioned as that's always funny.

This....

It amazes me how quick some folks are to try and trample on anything JLR do - it is almost like they -want- a major technical employer in the UK to fail

Sadly it is the British disease of slagging anything home grown off. The company folds / is sold etc. then the Brits start wailing.
You would not get this self-destructive attitude in any other country. We should grow up.

[Digga]

Fittster said:

Macboy said:

So is this going to be the new Morgan engine in petrol-only form I wonder?

Are Morgan small enough to avoid environmental legislation?

They're small enough not to even have to put four wheels on some of their cars, so lets hope so.

A Jag straight six in a Morgan really would be a thing.

[oldtimer2]

Out of curiosity I have had a look at the data quoted on Land Rover`s website. They quote CO2 g/km; 0-60mph; top speed mph; WLTP consumption in mpg as follows for the current V6 and V8 engines compared with the new I6:
3.0 litre V6 diesel (306 hp): 198 g/km, 6.8 secs. 130 mph, 32 mpg (in Test Energy Light mode)
4.4 litre V8 diesel (339 hp): 243 g/km, 6.7 secs, 140 mph, 26.7 mpg
3.0 litre I6 petrol (400 hp): 213 g/km, 5.9 secs, 140 mph, 26.7 mpg [the new engine]
5.0 litre V8 petrol (525 hp): 291 g/km, 5.0 secs, 155 mph, 19.9 mpg
5.0 litre V8 petrol (575 hp): 290 g/km, 4.3 secs,176 mph, 18.9 mpg ( in TEHigh mode)

On this data they have either matched or improved on the performance of the 4.4 V8 diesel. Not too shabby.
What we do not have is a comparison of the torque curves.

For those curious about the 2.0 litre plug in hybrid they quote as follows:
2.0 litre P400E (404 hp): 76 g/km, 6.3 secs, 137 mph, 84.1 mpg
No doubt there will be an in line 6 hybrid in due course.

[Triple7]

oldtimer2 said:

Good to see this appear now as it is needed as an alternative to diesel, offering torque at low speed from a petrol engine. I expect it will also appear in facelifted Jaguar XE and XFs. Perhaps coupled with a comprehensive improvement of the Jaguar interiors it will help make them more competitive and bring some badly needed volume to Jaguar`s Castle Bromwich factory. Poor sales of the XE and XF are a contributor to JLR`s current problems.

We can but hope, sooner rather than later.....

[anonymous-user]

350Matt said:

how are they stopping Brexit then?

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 13th February 12:33

They aren’t

[ian_cab28]

Well perhaps by switching to an inline 6, this ingenium engine will avoid the balance shaft bearing epidemic engine failures of the ingenium diesel 4 cylinders. Engineering integrity is not a strong suit.

[Ninja59]

stevesingo said:

Whilst diesels are lower emitters of CO2 for a given output/application, they also emit other substances that are increasingly getting legislated against, NOX and particulates. So whilst the CO2 figure doesn't seem so great, the progress lies in the vast reduction in the other pollutants this drivetrain could/should deliver.

Think of the progress as not a measure against a static goal post, but the chasing a moving legislative goal post and then the fact that the vehicle is safer, better equipped at least as equally fast takes on a different perspective.

Actually petrol in direct injection emits particulates as well. Hence the need for more and more petrols being updated loosing BHP and being fitted with GPF's for exactly the same reason as diesels, particulates.

People have failed to understand the technology and in essence petrol has a dirty secret that is being "patched" over with little real mention.

[Jag_NE]

essayer said:

213g/km of CO2

the 3.0 diesel isn't massively lower at 185 g/km, in fairness. And the petrol is never going to be as low as the diesel on a roughly equivalent performance basis.

at the premium end of the market im not convinced that a majority of the buyers give a monkeys about fuel economy, emissions or what legislation may or may not arrive in 5 years time. They will be banging down a chunk of cash, paying a grand a month for 3 years, and will buy a petrol or EV when they absolutely have to. I doubt this engine will have people running to LR dealers but it seems like a good product nonetheless.