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IanJ9375 said:
I saw some guy interviewed by the BBC regarding one of the votes and his response was
"Lets get out with no deal, there's plenty of rabbits in the hills and we can grow potatoes in the back garden"
I have to question whether he was mentally capable of taking part in a referendum to be honest!
Mind you, I think we should consider the fact that he was arguably the first and only person who has spoken the truth in relation to Brexit. Not one of us, regardless of our views, beliefs, desires or perspectives can argue against either of his statements. There are plenty of rabbits in the hills and we can all grow potatoes in our back gardens. "Lets get out with no deal, there's plenty of rabbits in the hills and we can grow potatoes in the back garden"
I have to question whether he was mentally capable of taking part in a referendum to be honest!
What the relevance or use is for us of these two facts, God only knows but we should at least celebrate that someone has finally spoken the clear truth about something.
We should probably keep a little quiet about the minor details of both rabbits and potatoes being brown immigrants to this sceptred isle.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 14th March 12:05
Brooking10 said:
Rawwr said:
Bob-2146 said:
They should all be hung for treason.
I'm already hung. Did you mean hanged? 
Commit treason, get a giant penis.
I'm having a strange day.
DonkeyApple said:
We should probably keep a little quiet about the minor details of both rabbits and potatoes being brown immigrants to this sceptred isle.
And of course rabbits breed, like, well, "rabbits".
Actually he's talking b
ks. Rabbits are primarily lowland animals. Don't think I've ever seen one "in the hills".Lexington59 said:
Brooking10 said:
Rawwr said:
Bob-2146 said:
They should all be hung for treason.
I'm already hung. Did you mean hanged? Commit treason, get a giant penis.
I'm having a strange day.
:TobyTR said:
Your graph still shows overall crime increased from 2014 to record highs in 2015 and 2016
As true as it is irrelevant, given 2017 had the lowest recorded crime figures since German reunification despite also being the year in which the immigrant population was the highest.In order for there to be a causal link between the number of immigrants and the crime rate, there must be a correlation. Such a correlation only exists if you cherry-pick the years 2015-16 and ignore both earlier fluctuations in the crime rate (such as that in 2014 when the crime rate rose substantially but number of immigrants did not), and the later massive decline in 2017 (which was also paired with the largest proportional increase in immigrants). Ergo, it's not really a correlation at all, meaning other factors are likely responsible.
Methinks it is you who is desperately grasping. The figures back up my assertion that no direct correlation exists, plain as day.
TobyTR said:
the graph i added shows % of migrant suspects in national crime in 2017 at 85%
That's not at all what it shows. Let's have another look:
It actually shows the number of asylum seekers (rather than wider immigrants) being approximately 8.5% of the total crime figure.
it also shows the largest year-on-year rise in asylum seekers correlating with a fall in crime, rather than an increase.
In 2015, the number of asylum seekers in Germany rose by 440%, but crime associated with asylum seekers only 79% ( here), with the majority of the increases in crime coming in early-2015 (whereas the majority of immigration came in the second half of the year).
That means that crime amongst new refugee arrivals in 2015 is actually far below the level of other social groups including domestic citizens (as per this reporting). In fact it's Kosovans, Serbs and Macedonians who are particularly overrepresented in crime statistics rather than asylum seekers from Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan.
Edited by HM-2 on Thursday 14th March 14:08
silentbrown said:
DonkeyApple said:
We should probably keep a little quiet about the minor details of both rabbits and potatoes being brown immigrants to this sceptred isle.
And of course rabbits breed, like, well, "rabbits".
Actually he's talking b
ks. Rabbits are primarily lowland animals. Don't think I've ever seen one "in the hills".HM-2 said:
That's not at all what it shows.
Let's have another look:
It actually shows the number of asylum seekers (rather than wider immigrants) being approximately 8.5% of the total crime figure.
it also shows the largest year-on-year rise in asylum seekers correlating with a fall in crime, rather than an increase.
In 2015, the number of asylum seekers in Germany rose by 440%, but crime associated with asylum seekers only 79% ( here), with the majority of the increases in crime coming in early-2015 (whereas the majority of immigration came in the second half of the year).
That means that crime amongst new refugee arrivals in 2015 is actually far below the level of other social groups including domestic citizens (as per this reporting). In fact it's Kosovans, Serbs and Macedonians who are particularly overrepresented in crime statistics rather than asylum seekers from Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan.
And yet in that same article: "Bild reported, however, that the sexual assaults that took place in Cologne during the city's New Year's celebration were not included in the BKA report.Let's have another look:
It actually shows the number of asylum seekers (rather than wider immigrants) being approximately 8.5% of the total crime figure.
it also shows the largest year-on-year rise in asylum seekers correlating with a fall in crime, rather than an increase.
In 2015, the number of asylum seekers in Germany rose by 440%, but crime associated with asylum seekers only 79% ( here), with the majority of the increases in crime coming in early-2015 (whereas the majority of immigration came in the second half of the year).
That means that crime amongst new refugee arrivals in 2015 is actually far below the level of other social groups including domestic citizens (as per this reporting). In fact it's Kosovans, Serbs and Macedonians who are particularly overrepresented in crime statistics rather than asylum seekers from Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan.
Edited by HM-2 on Thursday 14th March 14:08
Those assaults sparked nationwide uproar, resulting in the removal of Cologne's police chief and leading to a heated debate about the integration of asylum-seekers.
Most of the attackers accused of 446 allegations of sexual assault and three instances of rape in Cologne had been described as being of Arab or North African origin. Later reports have shown that three refugees were among the men accused of sexual abuse crimes in Cologne. Statistics from the states Bremen, Hamburg and North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany's most populous state, were also missing from the BKA report."
Nothing to see here.
ian in lancs said:
2 out of 3 of my Beemers were built in South Carolina - not all cars are made in Germany and they are no better / worse reliability for that...
Two of my five are Spartanburg cars and there are a few quality niggles here and there that are unique to locally sourced parts. The seats in the Z3 were made by Rockwell and have a few annoying issues. Saying that, I think they can be attributes to teething troubles with what was a brand new factory producing a brand new model and despite being annoying they're not serious issues. TobyTR said:
Those assaults sparked nationwide uproar
An appeal to emotion is a pretty poor excuse for a rebuttal. Unless you're going to produce some kind of statistical evidence that demonstrates that the data on which the graph above is based, or that the other cited reporting contains, is wrong to such a degree that the conclusions that I've drawn from it are invalid, you're wasting your time. vsonix said:
ian in lancs said:
2 out of 3 of my Beemers were built in South Carolina - not all cars are made in Germany and they are no better / worse reliability for that...
Two of my five are Spartanburg cars and there are a few quality niggles here and there that are unique to locally sourced parts. The seats in the Z3 were made by Rockwell and have a few annoying issues. Saying that, I think they can be attributes to teething troubles with what was a brand new factory producing a brand new model and despite being annoying they're not serious issues. HM-2 said:
An appeal to emotion is a pretty poor excuse for a rebuttal. Unless you're going to produce some kind of statistical evidence that demonstrates that the data on which the graph above is based, or that the other cited reporting contains, is wrong to such a degree that the conclusions that I've drawn from it are invalid, you're wasting your time.
That was a direct quote from the article you posted. It back-fired on you. Head in the sand... Bless.Still not seeing anything in the way of evidence that disputes what I've posted being presented. And an appeal to emotion is an appeal to emotion, it's largely irrelevant where it comes from. You quoted it because you thought it in some way responded to or rebutted the earlier statistics; it doesn't.
HM-2 said:
Still not seeing anything in the way of evidence that disputes what I've posted being presented. And an appeal to emotion is an appeal to emotion, it's largely irrelevant where it comes from. You quoted it because you thought it in some way responded to or rebutted the earlier statistics; it doesn't.
I'll spell it out for you again. You posted stats with link to the article. The article goes on to state "Bild reported, however, that the sexual assaults that took place in Cologne during the city's New Year's celebration were not included in the BKA report.Those assaults sparked nationwide uproar, resulting in the removal of Cologne's police chief and leading to a heated debate about the integration of asylum-seekers.
Most of the attackers accused of 446 allegations of sexual assault and three instances of rape in Cologne had been described as being of Arab or North African origin. Later reports have shown that three refugees were among the men accused of sexual abuse crimes in Cologne. Statistics from the states Bremen, Hamburg and North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany's most populous state, were also missing from the BKA report."
Conveniently missing from those stats. Those 'stats' manipulated and redundant.
tommy1973s said:
I go to Pistonheads for escapism. One of the great things about being a petrolhead is that you just like cars, regardless of where they're from, without any ulterior motives. And then you see this thread - juvenile bigotry, mis-placed triumphalism and spelling errors. Sigh.
Oh !! so you trawl up an old thread decide you don't like it's content then resurrect it anyway ??? most odd 
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