Porsche 10% Brexit surcharge
Discussion
Brooking10 said:
Read a fifth form business studies book
You’ll find it quite a challenge based on what we have seen so far of your insights as to how trade and the auto industry works.
t that the economy would implode if we voted leave - and it didn't. Tarrifs are coming, interest rates will be going up buttercup and the german cars people have PCP'd on the cheap a) won't be so cheap b) will cost more to finance due to interest rates.
This will get some of these awful over priced and underperforming cars off our roads and it cannot come soon enough
Edited by st4 on Sunday 17th February 09:09
Brooking10 said:
In the absence of an indigenous car industry of scale which economies do you suggest UK punters should be supporting ?
We build Nissans, Toyotas, and Honda's here. We should be looking to import more US cars and Korean ones. At least they work. Plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords are made here too. Less German and French cars coming - can't say I am sad about that
st4 said:
We will quickly sign trade deals with other non EU states.
New trade deals are likely, but “quickly” may be a challenge. The Peterson Institute for International Economics looked at how long the US took to do its trade deals (see table below). The quick ones are mostly small countries run by a monarch. Open Britain published the following global averages for time to do a trade deal:
India - 6 years and 11 months;
China - 5 years and 9 months;
Australia - 5 years and 1 month;
New Zealand - 4 years and 7 months;
United States - 3 years and 9 months.
Of course, the UK post-Brexit is a unique situation and our experience may be different. But those figures are probably a reasonable starting point.
essayer said:
If we leave with no deal then it’s assumed WTO tariff rates will apply, so on vehicles imported from third countries that will be 9.8%.
Porsche U.K. will be charged an additional 9.8% in duty when they import the vehicle from Porsche Germany. They can’t claim that back, so are asking their customers to indemnify them.
I do laugh when people say this including politicians, I listened to a professor who studies and teaches WTO Tariffs and he even said half the time he does not understand them and it is not as simple as just adding 10% to everything!Porsche U.K. will be charged an additional 9.8% in duty when they import the vehicle from Porsche Germany. They can’t claim that back, so are asking their customers to indemnify them.
people spout it without actually understanding what it is and how it is implemented typical heard it somewhere so spout BTW not having a go just winds me up people using this without understanding the nuances,
st4 said:
Brooking10 said:
In the absence of an indigenous car industry of scale which economies do you suggest UK punters should be supporting ?
We build Nissans, Toyotas, and Honda's here. We should be looking to import more US cars and Korean ones. At least they work. Plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords are made here too. Less German and French cars coming - can't say I am sad about that
A further example of your ill informed nonsense ..... if we all drive the “plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords made here” that would mean one passenger car, the Astra. The rest of it is vans.
You took the words out of my mouth.. I was just about to say, after we leave I might get myself a nice Austin princess. Brooking10 said:
You actually have no idea about how this is going to work do you or what you are talking about. Cars built here or ex EU will not be exempt from price increases due to tariffs.
A further example of your ill informed nonsense ..... if we all drive the “plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords made here” that would mean one passenger car, the Astra. The rest of it is vans.
Wrong again. Plenty cars are built here by Japanese makers and a lot of these go to our domestic market - not enough due to it being flooded by German metal on cheap rates. The end is nigh though - just over a month to go. I am very pleased my leave vote is going entirely to plan A further example of your ill informed nonsense ..... if we all drive the “plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords made here” that would mean one passenger car, the Astra. The rest of it is vans.
st4 said:
We build Nissans, Toyotas, and Honda's here. We should be looking to import more US cars and Korean ones. At least they work.
Plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords are made here too. Less German and French cars coming - can't say I am sad about that
And where do the parts come from that make these cars? I’m betting a fair amount from outside these shores.Plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords are made here too. Less German and French cars coming - can't say I am sad about that
Do we have a trade deal with the US, Japan and Korea? Do you think one will be signed quickly after we leave?
You think US stuff is built any better than french and German stuff?
Delusional.
st4 said:
Brooking10 said:
In the absence of an indigenous car industry of scale which economies do you suggest UK punters should be supporting ?
We build Nissans, Toyotas, and Honda's here. We should be looking to import more US cars and Korean ones. At least they work. Plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords are made here too. Less German and French cars coming - can't say I am sad about that
A205GTI said:
I do laugh when people say this including politicians, I listened to a professor who studies and teaches WTO Tariffs and he even said half the time he does not understand them and it is not as simple as just adding 10% to everything!
people spout it without actually understanding what it is and how it is implemented typical heard it somewhere so spout BTW not having a go just winds me up people using this without understanding the nuances,
He's right though. Some people seem to delight in ridiculing the "experts" and claiming they don't know what they are talking about without actually saying what they believe. people spout it without actually understanding what it is and how it is implemented typical heard it somewhere so spout BTW not having a go just winds me up people using this without understanding the nuances,
It's the classic Brexiteer refrain that they seem to believe they have stuck it to the man. Whereas for many of them they have instead stuck it up their own arse.
Pointing around saying "see Rome isn't burning" like they told us somewhat relies on the observer knowing what a fire looks like.
valiant said:
And where do the parts come from that make these cars? I’m betting a fair amount from outside these shores.
Do we have a trade deal with the US, Japan and Korea? Do you think one will be signed quickly after we leave?
You think US stuff is built any better than french and German stuff?
Delusional.
We will have one almost instantly with these countries. We can go tarrif free with other countries, bar European ones. That's my hope anyway. Do we have a trade deal with the US, Japan and Korea? Do you think one will be signed quickly after we leave?
You think US stuff is built any better than french and German stuff?
Delusional.
I think practically anything is better made than French or German cars. Look at US owners - they moan and moan about German stuff compared to domestic and far east.
Edited by st4 on Sunday 17th February 09:37
derin100 said:
^^^ This is a good example of why I don't think democracy is a workable system in this country.
Because the vote didn't go your way?I voted UKIP and I didn't get a UKIP MP - it doesn't mean democracy is invalid just because I didn't get the MP I voted for.
Under 60 days to go
st4 said:
Brooking10 said:
You actually have no idea about how this is going to work do you or what you are talking about. Cars built here or ex EU will not be exempt from price increases due to tariffs.
A further example of your ill informed nonsense ..... if we all drive the “plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords made here” that would mean one passenger car, the Astra. The rest of it is vans.
Wrong again. Plenty cars are built here by Japanese makers and a lot of these go to our domestic market - not enough due to it being flooded by German metal on cheap rates. The end is nigh though - just over a month to go. I am very pleased my leave vote is going entirely to plan A further example of your ill informed nonsense ..... if we all drive the “plenty of Vauxhalls and Fords made here” that would mean one passenger car, the Astra. The rest of it is vans.
Between Ford and Vauxhall who you cited as building plenty of cars the only passenger car built is the Astra......as an aside you know Vauxhall is a French controlled company ?
You are so fixated on your peculiar crusade to slag off German and French cars that you seem unable to grasp that, WTO or otherwise, the cost of manufacturing in the UK is going to increase in the short term at the very least.
st4 said:
Plenty cars are built here by Japanese makers and a lot of these go to our domestic market
It also may have escaped your attention, but said Japanese manufacturers are withdrawing: it is mere days since Nissan announced their intentions to pull the investment in their Sunderland plant and build their new X-trail in Japan.Our access to the European market was what made us attractive to the Japanese in the first place. The UK domestic market is trivial to them, in comparison.
Equus said:
It also may have escaped your attention, but said Japanese manufacturers are withdrawing: it is mere days since Nissan announced their intentions to pull the investment in their Sunderland plant and build their new X-trail in Japan.
Our access to the European market was what made us attractive to the Japanese in the first place. The UK domestic market is trivial to them, in comparison.
That's due to the decline in diesel sales and not our democratic decision to leave the EU - which is in turn thanks to unrealistic EU regulations that have been imposed on us. Although anything to see less diesels on the road leaves me smirking. Our access to the European market was what made us attractive to the Japanese in the first place. The UK domestic market is trivial to them, in comparison.
st4 said:
Wrong again. Plenty cars are built here by Japanese makers and a lot of these go to our domestic market - not enough due to it being flooded by German metal on cheap rates. The end is nigh though - just over a month to go. I am very pleased my leave vote is going entirely to plan
What's the rest of the plan from here on then skipper? A universal income of 100k for all, restablish British Leyland and replace the Big Ben Chimes on the news at 10 with Oswald Mosley farting God Save the Queen?
st4 said:
That's due to the decline in diesel sales and not our democratic decision to leave the EU
Really?So if if's due to poor diesel sales, why have they moved production to another country that barely buys any diesel cars?
Nissan themselves stated "...the continued uncertainty around the UK’s future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future", when explaining their decision.
Sorry, but as others have said, you're delusional. Either that, or you're simply trolling.
CS Garth said:
What's the rest of the plan from here on then skipper?
A universal income of 100k for all, restablish British Leyland and replace the Big Ben Chimes on the news at 10 with Oswald Mosley farting God Save the Queen?
Building ships to deport the multiples of "migrants" that have flooded this country since our ascension to the EU. And a disctinct cutting of the well fare state, taxes and tarrifs on non European goods and extra special tariffs for German and French made cars A universal income of 100k for all, restablish British Leyland and replace the Big Ben Chimes on the news at 10 with Oswald Mosley farting God Save the Queen?
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