Porsche 10% Brexit surcharge
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Equus said:
st4 said:
Plenty cars are built here by Japanese makers and a lot of these go to our domestic market
It also may have escaped your attention, but said Japanese manufacturers are withdrawing: it is mere days since Nissan announced their intentions to pull the investment in their Sunderland plant and build their new X-trail in Japan.Our access to the European market was what made us attractive to the Japanese in the first place. The UK domestic market is trivial to them, in comparison.
Look we are better off in the eu in MY opinion. But lies like yours either show you don’t understand what you are talking about or are worse than the nhs bus lot.
st4 said:
That's due to the decline in diesel sales and not our democratic decision to leave the EU - which is in turn thanks to unrealistic EU regulations that have been imposed on us. Although anything to see less diesels on the road leaves me smirking.
No, wrong again. This is for the NEXT generation X-trail which was designed to use hybrid technology and small petrol turbo’d units to power it with only a small diesel offering (there was even talk of dropping diesel all together).And if you think that there’s going to be a bonfire if E.U. regs come the day then you will be sorely disappointed. We’ll eventually have to come to some sort of trading deal with the E.U. no matter how hard we leave and that will mean alligning a great many regulations.
st4 said:
Brooking10 said:
No.
Because you are demonstrably stupid.
HTH
Sorry you cannot grasp basic facts. Thankfully people like me voted to save people like you from the dreadful direction our country was taking. Because you are demonstrably stupid.
HTH
valiant said:
And if you think that there’s going to be a bonfire if E.U. regs come the day then you will be sorely disappointed. We’ll eventually have to come to some sort of trading deal with the E.U. no matter how hard we leave and that will mean alligning a great many regulations.
Hopefully a very loose one more like the Canadian style rather than the Norway model.Flumpo said:
As a remainer I am embarrassed by people like you spreading these lies. The x trail had nothing to do with brexit and in the press release brexit uncertainty was mentioned but well after the reason why they weren’t doing th x trail.
Yes, the primary reason was given as that since the X-Trail is currently manufactured in Japan, it would require less investment to build the new model there (nothing to do with the UK market for diesels, as St4 asserts).But as I said, the reason the UK was attractive for such investment in the first place was because of our access to the European market. And the reason Nissan back out on a previous promise to invest in the Sunderland plant was because our Government failed to deliver on their side of the bargain with a promised trading arrangement.
If we'd kept our promises, they would have kept theirs...
Flumpo said:
Equus said:
st4 said:
Plenty cars are built here by Japanese makers and a lot of these go to our domestic market
It also may have escaped your attention, but said Japanese manufacturers are withdrawing: it is mere days since Nissan announced their intentions to pull the investment in their Sunderland plant and build their new X-trail in Japan.Our access to the European market was what made us attractive to the Japanese in the first place. The UK domestic market is trivial to them, in comparison.
But you’d have to be as mad as a box of frogs to believe it had nothing to do with Brexit.
Equus said:
Yes, the primary reason was given as that since the X-Trail is currently manufactured in Japan, it would require less investment to build the new model there (nothing to do with the UK market for diesels, as St4 asserts).
But as I said, the reason the UK was attractive for such investment in the first place was because of our access to the European market. And the reason Nissan back out on a previous promise to invest in the Sunderland plant was because our Government failed to deliver on their side of the bargain with a promised trading arrangement.
If we'd kept our promises, they would have kept theirs...
That's wild speculation. We are the 5th largest economy in the world with a skilled, english speaking and educated workforce.But as I said, the reason the UK was attractive for such investment in the first place was because of our access to the European market. And the reason Nissan back out on a previous promise to invest in the Sunderland plant was because our Government failed to deliver on their side of the bargain with a promised trading arrangement.
If we'd kept our promises, they would have kept theirs...
They'd want to build here anyway. Our domestic market matters. They'd want to build here anyway.
I have a Jeep, and there are lots of them around here.
Given they are able to compete with the tariff in place, it is questionable whether EU made cars would simply have the tariff added on the price as, if they did so, the number of cars bought from other countries would increase substantially.
Oilchange said:
Fewer Porsches on the road due to tarifs might mean more Lotus’, Aston Martins, Jaguars etc. I can’t see a downside to that...
It’s not a simple as cars built here and cars built there Tariffs will increase input costs on cars built here
Which increases cost to manufacture
Which increases cost to sell
warch said:
Brooking10 said:
st4 said:
derin100 said:
^^^ This is a good example of why I don't think democracy is a workable system in this country.
Because the vote didn't go your way?Because you are demonstrably stupid.
HTH
Brooking10 said:
It’s not a simple as cars built here and cars built there
Tariffs will increase input costs on cars built here
Which increases cost to manufacture
Which increases cost to sell
Not if the components are sourced from countries with a FTA in place. In the case of Lotus the drivetrain bits all come from Japan. Prices may go up, but not as much as they will for EU made cars. Tariffs will increase input costs on cars built here
Which increases cost to manufacture
Which increases cost to sell
Tarrifs are coming
schmalex said:
Why?
Name a British brand that offers anywhere near the same quality and choice that German (and other) manufacturers offer across a range of vehicles.
None but £300pm lease car pilot mercs aren't my thing or silly VAG crossovers aren't for me. JLR due to their shameful outlook on Brexit should be boycotted and they're just trying to imitate German cars anyway. Name a British brand that offers anywhere near the same quality and choice that German (and other) manufacturers offer across a range of vehicles.
The brands don't have to be British to be built here tarrif free. Honda, Toyota all offer better cars than the Germans do anyway.
st4 said:
That's wild speculation. We are the 5th largest economy in the world....
You realise that GDP doesn't equate to new car sales?The UK bought 2.38 million new cars last year, a figure that fell by nearly 7% on the previous year.
Based on sales for the first half of 2018, the EU is buying at rate of over 17 million cars per year, increasing by 3%.
You really are a complete fantasist.
By the time we've entered recession as a result of a no-deal Brexit, Morgan will be able to build enough cars to satisfy the UK domestic market, with their staff on short time.
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