The Joy of Running an Old Shed

[Chrishum]

greenarrow said:

Another question from me about potential shed.

Koreans... I watched an entertaining you tube video the other day by Scotty Kilmer (Sheddists will love him, he's a Toyota fanatic) where he was saying how crap Kias are. However, that was an old Kia Sportage from the mid 2000s and things have moved on massively since then. Just wondering if anyone has experience of older higher mileage Hyundai I20s or I30s, or Kia Ceeds? The Ceed Mk1 and Hyundai I30 I believe had independent rear suspension like a Focus and Lotus supposedly were involved in the chassis set up of the Ceed. I know several people on Pistonheads have commented that the Ceed handles nearly as well as a Focus and the engines don't seem to have any well know problems, so for me its a potential Focus Mk1 replacement. I guess they aren't at the sub £1K level yet, but has anyone got good or bad experiences of a Korean hatch of the late 00s, early 10s?

Mine is further up the page. Also now on the bay of fleas.

I’ve put 59,000 miles on it and until this week the engine was no bother. Now it’s in limp mode with an issue I don’t have the time or inclination to solve. But it’s a 1.6 diesel that has done mainly motorway work with me and never feels under powered or stressed. Chain not belt driven too which helps.

But generally they’re worthy but dull. Check for rust everywhere especially on suspension parts such as wishbones and mounting points. The body and chassis are sound the bolt on bits are dodgy.

As for handling they don’t really. It grips in the safe and predictable way a golf of that era does, definitely not in the slight aire of fun way a focus would. They’re not bad to drive just safe and predictable but could possibly be a bit more comfortable.

[swampy442]

Mazda bus passed its covid-extended MOT the other day, 17 months since the last one, no advisories All Ive done in terms of wear and tear items on top of servicing in that time were - Ball joint gaiter x1, sidelight bulb x1.

[mercedeslimos]

Arnie Cunningham said:

For 20 quid, it's great. It looks like you can also edit where it logs location entries to - so it doesn't have to go up on their servers. Can't find any documentation about that though, other than a field in the app to give it a different URL.
For me, the remote relay and current location are the thing. I guess if you run a fleet, geofencing & logging would also be very important.

Worst thing I've found is the relay off command waits until the relay next wakes up to "check in" by the looks of it.
Relay on seems to be instant though. Bit weird and will investigate.

Finally, also has battery backup in case someone disconnects the battery - which is also logged.

Edited by Arnie Cunningham on Sunday 31st January 17:45

Edited by Arnie Cunningham on Sunday 31st January 19:47

Wow, good man for that. Have to say, for the small outlay, that's an impressive bit of kit. Is the on/off really for the fuel pump? I saw on one eBay listing that it pulses the pump on/off 20 seconds at a time to slow the car down for a couple of mins before finally switching off.

That's going in my eBay basket for next payday that's for sure. Maybe not for my daily, impossible to take a half-modern car without the keys, and let's face it nobody wants a ten-year-old Mondeo.

[Arnie Cunningham]

mercedeslimos said:

Wow, good man for that. Have to say, for the small outlay, that's an impressive bit of kit. Is the on/off really for the fuel pump? I saw on one eBay listing that it pulses the pump on/off 20 seconds at a time to slow the car down for a couple of mins before finally switching off.

That's going in my eBay basket for next payday that's for sure. Maybe not for my daily, impossible to take a half-modern car without the keys, and let's face it nobody wants a ten-year-old Mondeo.

Seems to be on-off. I agree, the daily driver isn't interesting enough. It'll be going in stuff I think most likely to go walkies with little built in security. Old Landrover Defender, specifically - will hide this away somewhere in it. I particularly like the battery backup it has - so even is someone disconnects the battery, it still keeps going for a good time.

Edited by Arnie Cunningham on Monday 1st February 09:58

[Captain Answer]

Arnie Cunningham said:

Seems to be on-off. I agree, the daily driver isn't interesting enough. It'll be going in stuff I think most likely to go walkies with little built in security. Old Landrover Defender, specifically - will hide this away somewhere in it. I particularly like the battery backup it has - so even is someone disconnects the battery, it still keeps going for a good time.

Edited by Arnie Cunningham on Monday 1st February 09:58

Perfect for that, Going to get one and fit to day-camper

[greenarrow]

Tony427 said:

greenarrow said:

Another question from me about potential shed.

Koreans... I watched an entertaining you tube video the other day by Scotty Kilmer (Sheddists will love him, he's a Toyota fanatic) where he was saying how crap Kias are. However, that was an old Kia Sportage from the mid 2000s and things have moved on massively since then. Just wondering if anyone has experience of older higher mileage Hyundai I20s or I30s, or Kia Ceeds? The Ceed Mk1 and Hyundai I30 I believe had independent rear suspension like a Focus and Lotus supposedly were involved in the chassis set up of the Ceed. I know several people on Pistonheads have commented that the Ceed handles nearly as well as a Focus and the engines don't seem to have any well know problems, so for me its a potential Focus Mk1 replacement. I guess they aren't at the sub £1K level yet, but has anyone got good or bad experiences of a Korean hatch of the late 00s, early 10s?

Bought a Kia Rio for the daughter as a 15 minute each way commute car. It was my mates Mrs car, 2013 plate had it from new, 33,000 miles FSH on age not mileage and as the 7 year warranty was up he wanted rid as the clutch was giving problems. I offered that I would pay the best price he could get on trade in which was £1600.

Straight on ebay for the clutch slave and master cylinder, surprisingly cheap parts, an hour or so on the drive under the bonnet and its a gem. Bit noisy at speed but Mike ( yes she's named it ) has really impressed her with his amazing fuel economy, ease of driving and it flew through its mot without advisories.

I have to say I'm very pleased with the purchase.

That's interesting thanks. Around 2005 or 2006, I remember test driving the then new Kia Rio, the first one to have the CRDI engine. I think it was a 1.4 or 1.5 engine. This was still early days in the Kia journey so it felt cheap inside, but I was blown away by how quiet and refined the diesel engine was. At the time I was running an A3 with the famous 1.9 PD TDI engine and honestly the Kia was night and day quieter. For what it was, it felt pretty punchy (bearing in mind the A3 TDI 130 i was driving at the time made a lot of other cars feel limp) and the steering, handling etc felt nice and light and nimble. I expected it to be rubbish, but I can honestly say it was one of the most surprising cars I have ever driven in terms of exceeding low expectations!

I would imagine a 2005 or 2006 Rio would be worth peanuts now, but I've never seen one mentioned on here and Kia and Hyundai sheds don't seem to crop up, hence why I asked for feedback! Would make for a rarer alternative to a mid 2000 era Corsa, Polo, Fiesta.

[Arnie Cunningham]

Captain Answer said:

Perfect for that, Going to get one and fit to day-camper

Just a word of warning. If you test it out without the cover on, as you inevitably will, wear a welding mask. The Green LED on it is like a laser!

[LukeyP_]

I am debating whether to chuck the towel in now:

https://youtu.be/ix_dVab5Ynk
Boost Issue

https://youtu.be/Gb0t-yAefYs
Power Steering Issue

All was well tonight, until I got 1 mile down the road for a little drive.

[mercedeslimos]

LukeyP_ said:

I am debating whether to chuck the towel in now:

https://youtu.be/ix_dVab5Ynk
Boost Issue

https://youtu.be/Gb0t-yAefYs
Power Steering Issue

All was well tonight until I got 1 mile down the road for a little drive.

Not too sure about the first one, leaking boost?

The second one, belt slipping?

[LukeyP_]

mercedeslimos said:

Not too sure about the first one, leaking boost?

The second one, belt slipping?

Yeah I think it's a boost issue, just makes me wonder if it's the intercooler (or hopefully just a pipe).

Ah never thought of a belt slipping, I presume alternator belt rather than timing haha

[mercedeslimos]

If the timing belt slipped any bit more than 1 tooth the engine would be scrap. I assume it's an ALH or an ASV (90bhp/110bhp)/

Those are absolutely fking unbreakable. I assume it's one of those ridiculous clip fittings. Easy fix, and even if it's an intercooler it's an easy and cheap fix as spares are exactly the same as a MK4 Golf, etc.

That's the best part about the VW platforms, so much commonality between cars. Bits are peanuts.

Belts are mega cheap for those, grab a new one. Tensioners aren't big cash either. Can't be anything else really, they're mechanically very simple. I rebuilt the fuel pump in one lately (well it lives in a 1987 Transporter)

Edited by mercedeslimos on Monday 1st February 22:13

[bearman68]

These PD engines have a habit of popping the hoses off, especially around the intercooler. If it's a sudden change, that's well worth looking at. Not the easiest to see though.
If it's a more gradual issue, I have found 1) Solenoid valve failure - swap it with the EGR valve to check. 2) Vac pipework to be perished - replace with silicon pipe. 3) The non return valve in the vac pipe to be U/S, 4) The turbo actuator to be tits up, 5) The exhaust pipe to be be blocked at the cat (rare). Have a look at the turbo actuator. It should be fully pulled back on idle, and back off when the boost goes up. You should see the actuator move about quite a lot during revving of the engine.

The noise on the auxiliary belt sounds like an alternator to me, but worth checking the power steering oil level, as low level makes a noise.
Hope that helps a little.

[LukeyP_]

Yeah the timing belt has only been on a year and done 6k miles since.

Ah that's good to know, I was expecting a massive bill and was really debating whether to get rid of it as seems like it oculus due a 1 thing after another.

[tomble22]

Sounds very similar to when I hit a low wall in my old Accord and smashed a hole in the intercooler, so hopefully it's just a pipe popped off!!

[cedrichn]

For the second video, can't it be a bearing of tensioner or some sort? Does it increase when you accelerate? Does the sound change when you steer?

Anyway, doesn't sound that bad. Just keep a spare battery and spare jump cable in the boot in case it is the alternator, and drive on! (and drive with your two hands on the steering wheel, in case it becomes suddenly stiff )

Edited by cedrichn on Tuesday 2nd February 09:41

Edited by cedrichn on Tuesday 2nd February 09:42

[BlackStang5point0]

Arnie Cunningham said:

Seems to be on-off. I agree, the daily driver isn't interesting enough. It'll be going in stuff I think most likely to go walkies with little built in security. Old Landrover Defender, specifically - will hide this away somewhere in it. I particularly like the battery backup it has - so even is someone disconnects the battery, it still keeps going for a good time.

Edited by Arnie Cunningham on Monday 1st February 09:58

Great find I shall pass that onto my lad as he's concerned about his old Landie going walkies

[Jimmy No Hands]

LukeyP_ said:

I am debating whether to chuck the towel in now:

https://youtu.be/ix_dVab5Ynk
Boost Issue

https://youtu.be/Gb0t-yAefYs
Power Steering Issue

All was well tonight, until I got 1 mile down the road for a little drive.

My PD115 is currently making the same noise - I've tracked it down to either alternator (but the clutch still engages in the correct direction, so unsure if it's the pulley) the aux tensioner (usually the alternator failing puts excess stress on the tensioner and that breaks) or the power steering pump. My fluid was low, so I topped it up and bled it and it feels better.

I spent 4 hours putting the car into service mode on Saturday, which involves taking the entire front end off. Had to give up due to several sheared bolts. I'm at a point where I'm wondering whether it's even worth fixing. I've had a solid 21,000 miles worth of motoring out of it or £695, so I can hardly complain. A tensioner and decent brand alternator would like be £200 + and it may not even fix it.

I want to keep it but as my partner now uses it daily for work I think I'd rather have her in something newer.

[LukeyP_]

Thanks for the advice, not sure on changing sound when steering etc - I'd say it only got really bad by time I arrived home. It's snowed here a lot overnight, so not been out the car to check it further.

I have a mechanic over the road who will check it for me, so will see what is going wrong before I decide what to do with it - I have a £300 budget to fix it per year, so if it gets close to that, I may just sell it as it is.

[mercedeslimos]

bearman68 said:

These PD engines have a habit of popping the hoses off, especially around the intercooler. If it's a sudden change, that's well worth looking at. Not the easiest to see though.
If it's a more gradual issue, I have found 1) Solenoid valve failure - swap it with the EGR valve to check. 2) Vac pipework to be perished - replace with silicon pipe. 3) The non return valve in the vac pipe to be U/S, 4) The turbo actuator to be tits up, 5) The exhaust pipe to be be blocked at the cat (rare). Have a look at the turbo actuator. It should be fully pulled back on idle, and back off when the boost goes up. You should see the actuator move about quite a lot during revving of the engine.

The noise on the auxiliary belt sounds like an alternator to me, but worth checking the power steering oil level, as low level makes a noise.
Hope that helps a little.

He's even luckier, this one isn't even a PD, it's a VE90/110

Whoever designed those clip fitting boost pipes needs to be shot.

[Arnie Cunningham]

BlackStang5point0 said:

Great find I shall pass that onto my lad as he's concerned about his old Landie going walkies

I actually found one that had clearly been stolen and they got it stuck. It was recoverable though.
Reported it to the police who confirmed it had been registered as stolen with them.
Also posted a pic on various LR websites.

Left my contact details with the police and said get in touch when you want me to show you where it is so it can be recovered.

Never heard anything back - hence I started looking for useful widgets like this.