The Joy of Running an Old Shed
Discussion
Mr.Nobody said:
R50 BPS said:
Another to pop up is this - seems to have had a few things done recently, the 1.6 is pretty reliable, though they do use a fair bit of oil compared to some engines.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SKODA-OCTAVIA-AMBIENTE-...
It looks okay for the price. Anything to look out for on them? Also there is this:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SKODA-OCTAVIA-AMBIENTE-...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Skoda-Octavia-2-0TDI-El...
The same that applies to the Passat earlier also applies to the Octavia - identical running gear.
R50 BPS said:
There isn't really a great deal that goes wrong on the earlier cars - though expect to potentially replace front springs and the radiator if not already done. You may also be playing Timing belt roulette with it, but again, it's more a precaution on age rather than a fault with the car.
The same that applies to the Passat earlier also applies to the Octavia - identical running gear.
That’s good to know thank you.The same that applies to the Passat earlier also applies to the Octavia - identical running gear.
Wrong, Octavia used a BKD engine which is a non-balance shaft engine - which doesn't use the dodgy Lanchester-type balance shaft which causes the oil pump hex key to round. Early (04-5) engines had some porous heads but generally, the BKD is a decent unit, though not as good as the 1.9 unit.
mercedeslimos said:
Wrong, Octavia used a BKD engine which is a non-balance shaft engine - which doesn't use the dodgy Lanchester-type balance shaft which causes the oil pump hex key to round. Early (04-5) engines had some porous heads but generally, the BKD is a decent unit, though not as good as the 1.9 unit.
The same thing happens with Audi 2.0 TDI 140 too, which codes do they use, then?R50 BPS said:
The same thing happens with Audi 2.0 TDI 140 too, which codes do they use, then?
Affected codes are: BKP (Passat B6)BLB and BRE (C5 A6 and B7 A4)
BPW (though this is an 8-valve engine with DPF - B7 Cabriolet A4)
Any 2.0 140 in the Octavia, Audi A3, MK5 Golf, Leon/Toledo/Altea, Mitsubishi Grandis/Outlander, Chrysler stuff, etc.
BLB seems to be the worst. Have had a BLB and a BKP and done a balance shaft delete and chain oil pump conversion on the Audi and replaced the Passat engine with a BKD from an A3.
BMN/BMR 170bhp in the vRS Octavia, Passat, etc are all balance shaft engines too.
And even worse, the CR engines from 2008-on continued to use the hex-type oil pump until about 2012/13 I believe, just with a slightly longer key. The chain-type pump never gave any trouble, but these are the lengths manufacturers go to attempt to reduce NVH.
mercedeslimos said:
R50 BPS said:
The same thing happens with Audi 2.0 TDI 140 too, which codes do they use, then?
Affected codes are: BKP (Passat B6)BLB and BRE (C5 A6 and B7 A4)
BPW (though this is an 8-valve engine with DPF - B7 Cabriolet A4)
Any 2.0 140 in the Octavia, Audi A3, MK5 Golf, Leon/Toledo/Altea, Mitsubishi Grandis/Outlander, Chrysler stuff, etc.
BLB seems to be the worst. Have had a BLB and a BKP and done a balance shaft delete and chain oil pump conversion on the Audi and replaced the Passat engine with a BKD from an A3.
BMN/BMR 170bhp in the vRS Octavia, Passat, etc are all balance shaft engines too.
And even worse, the CR engines from 2008-on continued to use the hex-type oil pump until about 2012/13 I believe, just with a slightly longer key. The chain-type pump never gave any trouble, but these are the lengths manufacturers go to attempt to reduce NVH.
cedrichn said:
Did you post on the wrong thread...? Agree with you, but totally out of the subject here... Thanks anyway! Waiting for the next advice 
Felt more related at the time but I concede it seems out of place now! I think I just find it interesting as in shed territory it feels like avoiding services completely is the wrong option unless you see the end is in sight and even then, you still maintain the safety aspect.
However personally I always feel the need to remind myself that services almost never catch the thing that eventually kills the shed dead in it's tracks, because it's something you often can't predict the failure of and it carries some large upfront or labour cost that'll mean it's game over.
R50 BPS said:
mercedeslimos said:
R50 BPS said:
The same thing happens with Audi 2.0 TDI 140 too, which codes do they use, then?
Affected codes are: BKP (Passat B6)BLB and BRE (C5 A6 and B7 A4)
BPW (though this is an 8-valve engine with DPF - B7 Cabriolet A4)
Any 2.0 140 in the Octavia, Audi A3, MK5 Golf, Leon/Toledo/Altea, Mitsubishi Grandis/Outlander, Chrysler stuff, etc.
BLB seems to be the worst. Have had a BLB and a BKP and done a balance shaft delete and chain oil pump conversion on the Audi and replaced the Passat engine with a BKD from an A3.
BMN/BMR 170bhp in the vRS Octavia, Passat, etc are all balance shaft engines too.
And even worse, the CR engines from 2008-on continued to use the hex-type oil pump until about 2012/13 I believe, just with a slightly longer key. The chain-type pump never gave any trouble, but these are the lengths manufacturers go to attempt to reduce NVH.
If it was the older B5.5 Passat and a PD, an AVB was 100bhp. AWX 130 5-speed and the AVF 130bhp 6-speed. All rock-solid units. Had 6 of those and brilliant units.
mercedeslimos said:
R50 BPS said:
mercedeslimos said:
R50 BPS said:
The same thing happens with Audi 2.0 TDI 140 too, which codes do they use, then?
Affected codes are: BKP (Passat B6)BLB and BRE (C5 A6 and B7 A4)
BPW (though this is an 8-valve engine with DPF - B7 Cabriolet A4)
Any 2.0 140 in the Octavia, Audi A3, MK5 Golf, Leon/Toledo/Altea, Mitsubishi Grandis/Outlander, Chrysler stuff, etc.
BLB seems to be the worst. Have had a BLB and a BKP and done a balance shaft delete and chain oil pump conversion on the Audi and replaced the Passat engine with a BKD from an A3.
BMN/BMR 170bhp in the vRS Octavia, Passat, etc are all balance shaft engines too.
And even worse, the CR engines from 2008-on continued to use the hex-type oil pump until about 2012/13 I believe, just with a slightly longer key. The chain-type pump never gave any trouble, but these are the lengths manufacturers go to attempt to reduce NVH.
If it was the older B5.5 Passat and a PD, an AVB was 100bhp. AWX 130 5-speed and the AVF 130bhp 6-speed. All rock-solid units. Had 6 of those and brilliant units.
Romford4 said:
I don't usually read Pistonheads... too many Billy Big b
ks bragging about their PCP'd-up M4 or whatever. However this topic caught my eye a few months ago and I've read every post from the OP's first on page 1 through to now. Do I get a medal or any kind of prize?
I tend to find sheds to be far more interesting than the latest whiz-bang M-series/AMG/RS whatever. And anything that plays sports exhaust noises from speakers under the car is beneath contempt in my book
. I'd take a 10 yr old Aygo with 100k on the clock over a sporty 'prestige' German anony-box any day of the week. I'm not into track-days and drive/ride only on the public roads. I've frittered £1000+ per month away on expensive cars in the past and very quickly realised that for me personally, I have more fun hustling an old shed along a country road than any overly complicated, under-engineered & over-priced status symbol. There's a lot to be said for a car in which you need to be able to plan your overtakes carefully, to build and keep momentum going, to reach the limits of grip without going over them on some worn budget tyres, to learn some basic mechanical skills, to be able to park anywhere without worrying that some neerdowell will damage your finance company's property, to not be a worrier about breakdowns and being 'stranded', and to not give two sts about what your neighbours in the 'Who's got the newest, highest-specced Range Rover club' think (Yep, that's my street... lots of anonymous identikit new-build houses, with heavily financed identikit new 'prestige' cars parked outside).
Magpie, I saw a competitor to your Grot-box Galaxy near the Queensferry Crossing near Edinburgh about a month ago. Various coloured panels (and wheel-trims), but then I realised the owner had deliberately gone to the time and effort (& minor expense) of painting it in various bright (non-Ford) colours to create the look. Nil points from me..... a shed should be an organic evolvement, not an imposter. Maybe he just wants to annoy his neighbours?
Anyway, I'm driving a 5 year old bottom spec Civic, so currently WAAAAY off shed territory and not worthy of inclusion on this thread, but it's a keeper will one day achieve shed greatness!... maybe even with mis-matched panels. Had to check myself a few weeks ago when some lacquer was peeling off one of the alloys and corrosion had set in. I was contemplating blowing £800 on some new wheels 
. Soon put that idea to rest though. Overall living a fairly frugal life with some pretty cheap cars (bar the occasional stupid, but usually short-lived, splurge) has put me in the position whereby I'm able to retire when I turn 48 in a few months time. I'll likely still do plenty of work but it'll be 0-hours or contracting, entirely on my terms, and I won't be a wage-slave or answerable to 'the man'. I would never have been able to achieve that if I'd lived the life most of my neighbours seem to live and that buys me some serious peace-of-mind which no flash car could ever come close to.
Look forward to reading more of this thread and seeing pics of your various sheds.
Well said, I myself follow this topic regularly, I too got out of the rat race keeping up with the neighbours, chopped in my nice shiny bit of metal and downgraded too pay my mortgage off as soon as I can, ok I bought a 2009 CRV 18 months ago for £2000 with full honda history, not exactly shed but soon will be, I will and I am regularly servicing it, no monthly payments and park it up with no care in the world feels great, currently on 130,000 miles and and goes great, hope it stays that way. Keep the posts coming ks bragging about their PCP'd-up M4 or whatever. However this topic caught my eye a few months ago and I've read every post from the OP's first on page 1 through to now. Do I get a medal or any kind of prize? I tend to find sheds to be far more interesting than the latest whiz-bang M-series/AMG/RS whatever. And anything that plays sports exhaust noises from speakers under the car is beneath contempt in my book
. I'd take a 10 yr old Aygo with 100k on the clock over a sporty 'prestige' German anony-box any day of the week. I'm not into track-days and drive/ride only on the public roads. I've frittered £1000+ per month away on expensive cars in the past and very quickly realised that for me personally, I have more fun hustling an old shed along a country road than any overly complicated, under-engineered & over-priced status symbol. There's a lot to be said for a car in which you need to be able to plan your overtakes carefully, to build and keep momentum going, to reach the limits of grip without going over them on some worn budget tyres, to learn some basic mechanical skills, to be able to park anywhere without worrying that some neerdowell will damage your finance company's property, to not be a worrier about breakdowns and being 'stranded', and to not give two sts about what your neighbours in the 'Who's got the newest, highest-specced Range Rover club' think (Yep, that's my street... lots of anonymous identikit new-build houses, with heavily financed identikit new 'prestige' cars parked outside). Magpie, I saw a competitor to your Grot-box Galaxy near the Queensferry Crossing near Edinburgh about a month ago. Various coloured panels (and wheel-trims), but then I realised the owner had deliberately gone to the time and effort (& minor expense) of painting it in various bright (non-Ford) colours to create the look. Nil points from me..... a shed should be an organic evolvement, not an imposter. Maybe he just wants to annoy his neighbours?
Anyway, I'm driving a 5 year old bottom spec Civic, so currently WAAAAY off shed territory and not worthy of inclusion on this thread, but it's a keeper will one day achieve shed greatness!... maybe even with mis-matched panels
. Had to check myself a few weeks ago when some lacquer was peeling off one of the alloys and corrosion had set in. I was contemplating blowing £800 on some new wheels . Soon put that idea to rest though. Overall living a fairly frugal life with some pretty cheap cars (bar the occasional stupid, but usually short-lived, splurge) has put me in the position whereby I'm able to retire when I turn 48 in a few months time. I'll likely still do plenty of work but it'll be 0-hours or contracting, entirely on my terms, and I won't be a wage-slave or answerable to 'the man'. I would never have been able to achieve that if I'd lived the life most of my neighbours seem to live and that buys me some serious peace-of-mind which no flash car could ever come close to.Look forward to reading more of this thread and seeing pics of your various sheds.
Richiepg25 said:
Romford4 said:
I don't usually read Pistonheads... too many Billy Big bks bragging about their PCP'd-up M4 or whatever. However this topic caught my eye a few months ago and I've read every post from the OP's first on page 1 through to now. Do I get a medal or any kind of prize?
I tend to find sheds to be far more interesting than the latest whiz-bang M-series/AMG/RS whatever. And anything that plays sports exhaust noises from speakers under the car is beneath contempt in my book. I'd take a 10 yr old Aygo with 100k on the clock over a sporty 'prestige' German anony-box any day of the week. I'm not into track-days and drive/ride only on the public roads. I've frittered £1000+ per month away on expensive cars in the past and very quickly realised that for me personally, I have more fun hustling an old shed along a country road than any overly complicated, under-engineered & over-priced status symbol. There's a lot to be said for a car in which you need to be able to plan your overtakes carefully, to build and keep momentum going, to reach the limits of grip without going over them on some worn budget tyres, to learn some basic mechanical skills, to be able to park anywhere without worrying that some neerdowell will damage your finance company's property, to not be a worrier about breakdowns and being 'stranded', and to not give two sts about what your neighbours in the 'Who's got the newest, highest-specced Range Rover club' think (Yep, that's my street... lots of anonymous identikit new-build houses, with heavily financed identikit new 'prestige' cars parked outside).
Magpie, I saw a competitor to your Grot-box Galaxy near the Queensferry Crossing near Edinburgh about a month ago. Various coloured panels (and wheel-trims), but then I realised the owner had deliberately gone to the time and effort (& minor expense) of painting it in various bright (non-Ford) colours to create the look. Nil points from me..... a shed should be an organic evolvement, not an imposter. Maybe he just wants to annoy his neighbours?
Anyway, I'm driving a 5 year old bottom spec Civic, so currently WAAAAY off shed territory and not worthy of inclusion on this thread, but it's a keeper will one day achieve shed greatness!... maybe even with mis-matched panels. Had to check myself a few weeks ago when some lacquer was peeling off one of the alloys and corrosion had set in. I was contemplating blowing £800 on some new wheels . Soon put that idea to rest though. Overall living a fairly frugal life with some pretty cheap cars (bar the occasional stupid, but usually short-lived, splurge) has put me in the position whereby I'm able to retire when I turn 48 in a few months time. I'll likely still do plenty of work but it'll be 0-hours or contracting, entirely on my terms, and I won't be a wage-slave or answerable to 'the man'. I would never have been able to achieve that if I'd lived the life most of my neighbours seem to live and that buys me some serious peace-of-mind which no flash car could ever come close to.
Look forward to reading more of this thread and seeing pics of your various sheds.
Well said, I myself follow this topic regularly, I too got out of the rat race keeping up with the neighbours, chopped in my nice shiny bit of metal and downgraded too pay my mortgage off as soon as I can, ok I bought a 2009 CRV 18 months ago for £2000 with full honda history, not exactly shed but soon will be, I will and I am regularly servicing it, no monthly payments and park it up with no care in the world feels great, currently on 130,000 miles and and goes great, hope it stays that way. Keep the posts coming ks bragging about their PCP'd-up M4 or whatever. However this topic caught my eye a few months ago and I've read every post from the OP's first on page 1 through to now. Do I get a medal or any kind of prize? I tend to find sheds to be far more interesting than the latest whiz-bang M-series/AMG/RS whatever. And anything that plays sports exhaust noises from speakers under the car is beneath contempt in my book
. I'd take a 10 yr old Aygo with 100k on the clock over a sporty 'prestige' German anony-box any day of the week. I'm not into track-days and drive/ride only on the public roads. I've frittered £1000+ per month away on expensive cars in the past and very quickly realised that for me personally, I have more fun hustling an old shed along a country road than any overly complicated, under-engineered & over-priced status symbol. There's a lot to be said for a car in which you need to be able to plan your overtakes carefully, to build and keep momentum going, to reach the limits of grip without going over them on some worn budget tyres, to learn some basic mechanical skills, to be able to park anywhere without worrying that some neerdowell will damage your finance company's property, to not be a worrier about breakdowns and being 'stranded', and to not give two sts about what your neighbours in the 'Who's got the newest, highest-specced Range Rover club' think (Yep, that's my street... lots of anonymous identikit new-build houses, with heavily financed identikit new 'prestige' cars parked outside). Magpie, I saw a competitor to your Grot-box Galaxy near the Queensferry Crossing near Edinburgh about a month ago. Various coloured panels (and wheel-trims), but then I realised the owner had deliberately gone to the time and effort (& minor expense) of painting it in various bright (non-Ford) colours to create the look. Nil points from me..... a shed should be an organic evolvement, not an imposter. Maybe he just wants to annoy his neighbours?
Anyway, I'm driving a 5 year old bottom spec Civic, so currently WAAAAY off shed territory and not worthy of inclusion on this thread, but it's a keeper will one day achieve shed greatness!... maybe even with mis-matched panels
. Had to check myself a few weeks ago when some lacquer was peeling off one of the alloys and corrosion had set in. I was contemplating blowing £800 on some new wheels . Soon put that idea to rest though. Overall living a fairly frugal life with some pretty cheap cars (bar the occasional stupid, but usually short-lived, splurge) has put me in the position whereby I'm able to retire when I turn 48 in a few months time. I'll likely still do plenty of work but it'll be 0-hours or contracting, entirely on my terms, and I won't be a wage-slave or answerable to 'the man'. I would never have been able to achieve that if I'd lived the life most of my neighbours seem to live and that buys me some serious peace-of-mind which no flash car could ever come close to.Look forward to reading more of this thread and seeing pics of your various sheds.
R50 BPS said:
mercedeslimos said:
R50 BPS said:
mercedeslimos said:
R50 BPS said:
The same thing happens with Audi 2.0 TDI 140 too, which codes do they use, then?
Affected codes are: BKP (Passat B6)BLB and BRE (C5 A6 and B7 A4)
BPW (though this is an 8-valve engine with DPF - B7 Cabriolet A4)
Any 2.0 140 in the Octavia, Audi A3, MK5 Golf, Leon/Toledo/Altea, Mitsubishi Grandis/Outlander, Chrysler stuff, etc.
BLB seems to be the worst. Have had a BLB and a BKP and done a balance shaft delete and chain oil pump conversion on the Audi and replaced the Passat engine with a BKD from an A3.
BMN/BMR 170bhp in the vRS Octavia, Passat, etc are all balance shaft engines too.
And even worse, the CR engines from 2008-on continued to use the hex-type oil pump until about 2012/13 I believe, just with a slightly longer key. The chain-type pump never gave any trouble, but these are the lengths manufacturers go to attempt to reduce NVH.
If it was the older B5.5 Passat and a PD, an AVB was 100bhp. AWX 130 5-speed and the AVF 130bhp 6-speed. All rock-solid units. Had 6 of those and brilliant units.
I have had the first ever parts failure on my 14yr old Lexus after 5yrs of ownership. The windscreen washer packed up, I'd been manually cleaning the window before each journey for the best part of a month, but as it is an MoT failure item (test due in August) I bit the bullet and got it fixed - and to no doubt the chagrin of other shedders got the car serviced only 11 months since the last one.
Hopefully that's another year's motoring lined up for £300.
Hopefully that's another year's motoring lined up for £300.
Been away from the forum for a while.
Coming up to changing my current shed, 2002 petrol auto Honda CRV. Mainly because of the 20mpg i'm getting and heavy steering and lack of power, mostly. (Sadly rust is setting in too, which on an old car, I don't want to be chasing. I don't mind on my Campervan, but not my car!)
I reckon with an MOT (booked for 2 weeks time), i'll get £1500 for it as it's low mileage for the age and in pretty good condition.
My ideal next car is an old Volvo, diesel manual. Absolute ideal would be a high spec, old V70. Are these economical to run on a budget? My CRV has been pretty faultless overall, so I wouldn't really want to be at the garage every other week!
I looked at a 2008 V50 2.0 diesel. Lovely looking car, comfy too. Problem was, air con didn't work, cambelt was due, needed a few other jobs as well. It was up for £2295 with 126k miles, but I offered £1700 + the air con working, to allow for work, the guy said it was a bit too low - fair enough.
I have since done a lot of research on the V50 and older Volvo's and it seems the V50 may not be the best choice at that price range? Most say an older V70, although probably more expensive, would be more reliable.
Coming up to changing my current shed, 2002 petrol auto Honda CRV. Mainly because of the 20mpg i'm getting and heavy steering and lack of power, mostly. (Sadly rust is setting in too, which on an old car, I don't want to be chasing. I don't mind on my Campervan, but not my car!)
I reckon with an MOT (booked for 2 weeks time), i'll get £1500 for it as it's low mileage for the age and in pretty good condition.
My ideal next car is an old Volvo, diesel manual. Absolute ideal would be a high spec, old V70. Are these economical to run on a budget? My CRV has been pretty faultless overall, so I wouldn't really want to be at the garage every other week!
I looked at a 2008 V50 2.0 diesel. Lovely looking car, comfy too. Problem was, air con didn't work, cambelt was due, needed a few other jobs as well. It was up for £2295 with 126k miles, but I offered £1700 + the air con working, to allow for work, the guy said it was a bit too low - fair enough.
I have since done a lot of research on the V50 and older Volvo's and it seems the V50 may not be the best choice at that price range? Most say an older V70, although probably more expensive, would be more reliable.
Edited by gman88667733 on Thursday 24th June 07:30
Edited by gman88667733 on Thursday 24th June 07:37
gman88667733 said:
Been away from the forum for a while.
Coming up to changing my current shed, 2002 petrol auto Honda CRV. Mainly because of the 20mpg i'm getting and heavy steering and lack of power, mostly. (Sadly rust is setting in too, which on an old car, I don't want to be chasing. I don't mind on my Campervan, but not my car!)
I reckon with an MOT (booked for 2 weeks time), i'll get £1500 for it as it's low mileage for the age and in pretty good condition.
My ideal next car is an old Volvo, diesel manual. Absolute ideal would be a high spec, old V70. Are these economical to run on a budget? My CRV has been pretty faultless overall, so I wouldn't really want to be at the garage every other week!
I looked at a 2008 V50 2.0 diesel. Lovely looking car, comfy too. Problem was, air con didn't work, cambelt was due, needed a few other jobs as well. It was up for £2295 with 126k miles, but I offered £1700 + the air con working, to allow for work, the guy said it was a bit too low - fair enough.
I have since done a lot of research on the V50 and older Volvo's and it seems the V50 may not be the best choice at that price range? Most say an older V70, although probably more expensive, would be more reliable.
Yes I’d avoid the diesel V50s, Ford lumps which are not terribly reliable by all accounts. What you want is a Euro 3 163 bhp (black engine cover) V70 D5 with a manual box. Coming up to changing my current shed, 2002 petrol auto Honda CRV. Mainly because of the 20mpg i'm getting and heavy steering and lack of power, mostly. (Sadly rust is setting in too, which on an old car, I don't want to be chasing. I don't mind on my Campervan, but not my car!)
I reckon with an MOT (booked for 2 weeks time), i'll get £1500 for it as it's low mileage for the age and in pretty good condition.
My ideal next car is an old Volvo, diesel manual. Absolute ideal would be a high spec, old V70. Are these economical to run on a budget? My CRV has been pretty faultless overall, so I wouldn't really want to be at the garage every other week!
I looked at a 2008 V50 2.0 diesel. Lovely looking car, comfy too. Problem was, air con didn't work, cambelt was due, needed a few other jobs as well. It was up for £2295 with 126k miles, but I offered £1700 + the air con working, to allow for work, the guy said it was a bit too low - fair enough.
I have since done a lot of research on the V50 and older Volvo's and it seems the V50 may not be the best choice at that price range? Most say an older V70, although probably more expensive, would be more reliable.
Edited by gman88667733 on Thursday 24th June 07:30
Edited by gman88667733 on Thursday 24th June 07:37
ooid said:
captain.scarlet said:
Nothing quite like an old Volvo, though the ones from the 2000s have aged well.
What age, mileage, price etc are you considering?
cheers, I was thinking something after 2005? and ideally 2.5-3.0k seems like shed prices nowadays due to inflation.What age, mileage, price etc are you considering?
I'm just wondering whether you could get an S80 or even the mk2 S60 for that sort of money. It'd give you a bit of added comfort and style and add to the charm of the car.
NB my bias is towards saloons as you can tell.
Truckosaurus said:
I have had the first ever parts failure on my 14yr old Lexus after 5yrs of ownership. The windscreen washer packed up, I'd been manually cleaning the window before each journey for the best part of a month, but as it is an MoT failure item (test due in August) I bit the bullet and got it fixed - and to no doubt the chagrin of other shedders got the car serviced only 11 months since the last one.
Hopefully that's another year's motoring lined up for £300.
Dude, just use RAINX - here's a link;Hopefully that's another year's motoring lined up for £300.
https://www.rainx.co.uk/
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