mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

[DodgyGeezer]

For when NMN is sheriff of Appaloosa County...

[robinessex]

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

[5s Alive]

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

Traffic density is also quite unlike the UK's crowded motorways so I'm assuming that was filmed very early in the morning. Every car I've ever driven has had a mandatory speed limiter. My right foot.

Several times now our car has misread mold covered speed limit signs. 90 in a 30 and more worryingly 20 on a 70 signposted motorway. Thankfully it can be ignored.

[leef44]

DodgyGeezer said:

For when NMN is sheriff of Appaloosa County...

And your children will go to prison for the rest of their lives in case the gene pool means that they may grow up and drive more than 20 mph.

This may save one child's life so it will be all worth it.

[Toltec]

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

They pretty much sit in the outside lane blasting past vehicles in the middle lane at high differential speed. Not seeing a lot of lane discipline or common sense there.

[bigothunter]

Toltec said:

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

They pretty much sit in the outside lane blasting past vehicles in the middle lane at high differential speed. Not seeing a lot of lane discipline or common sense there.

But is driving at these elevated speeds dangerous for competent drivers?

nb I'm not suggesting that most British drivers could cope. They couldn't because their abilities have been dulled by restrictions

[robinessex]

Toltec said:

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

They pretty much sit in the outside lane blasting past vehicles in the middle lane at high differential speed. Not seeing a lot of lane discipline or common sense there.

Try Specsavers. Also a driver re-fresh from a driving instructor.

1. No cars hogging the outside lane.
2. Slower cars in the outside lane promptly pull over with the indicators going seeing a faster car approaching.
3. Video car also pulls into the middle lane still doing 160mph.

[Kawasicki]

robinessex said:

Toltec said:

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

They pretty much sit in the outside lane blasting past vehicles in the middle lane at high differential speed. Not seeing a lot of lane discipline or common sense there.

Try Specsavers. Also a driver re-fresh from a driving instructor.

1. No cars hogging the outside lane.
2. Slower cars in the outside lane promptly pull over with the indicators going seeing a faster car approaching.
3. Video car also pulls into the middle lane still doing 160mph.

I‘ve driven like that (ok, I only watched 15secs of the video) for tens of thousands of km, with no moments/scares/close ones… and I have been overtaken quite often whilst driving like that too.

I have also driven on the unrestricted autobahn slowly… at the same speed as the trucks, because sometimes that seems to suit me better.

I like having the right to decide how I drive.

[NMNeil]

DodgyGeezer said:

For when NMN is sheriff of Appaloosa County...

Lightweights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60nC1vg0gYk

[NMNeil]

ITP said:

NMNeil said:

Back on topic.
For all those questioning the ISA system speed limiters and their effectiveness.
https://www.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/027-2...

It doesn’t say how many people the same fleet of govt vehicles killed seriously injured before they had ISA.
There were just 36% less ‘hard braking’ incidents.
It doesn’t say how many of these ‘hard braking’ incidents there were either. Was it 1000 down to 640? Or was it 20 down to 13?

No idea. but if you want to dig through the NYC public records I'm sure you'll find it

[robinessex]

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

Even better. +300mph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pg1hhW5qhM

[Kawasicki]

robinessex said:

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

Even better. +300mph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pg1hhW5qhM

I`ve driven on the Autobahn at over 200mph, it was remarkably unremarkable... adding another full 100mph to that is impressive.

[bigothunter]

Kawasicki said:

robinessex said:

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

Even better. +300mph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pg1hhW5qhM

I`ve driven on the Autobahn at over 200mph, it was remarkably unremarkable... adding another full 100mph to that is impressive.

Unfortunately both of you have just destroyed the case for unrestricted cars on unrestricted roads. IMO 250 km/h (155 mph) is pushing it - any more has become silly.

I would happily settle for UK motorway limit of 100 mph. Paradoxically 100 mph capability was part of the motorway design brief back in 1959. Now we can't even adopt the European standard 80 mph without Brake and others crying 'inhumane'. Actually 100 km/h (62 mph) is gaining momentum in mainland Europe. I'm sure UK can go one 'better' by reducing motorways to 60 mph. There are plenty of excuses why such a low speed is essential.

All rather sad and pathetic

[RSTurboPaul]

bigothunter said:

Unfortunately both of you have just destroyed the case for unrestricted cars on unrestricted roads. IMO 250 km/h (155 mph) is pushing it - any more has become silly.

I would happily settle for UK motorway limit of 100 mph. Paradoxically 100 mph capability was part of the motorway design brief back in 1959. Now we can't even adopt the European standard 80 mph without Brake and others crying 'inhumane'. Actually 100 km/h (62 mph) is gaining momentum in mainland Europe. I'm sure UK can go one 'better' by reducing motorways to 60 mph. There are plenty of excuses why such a low speed is essential.

All rather sad and pathetic

Agreed on all of that bar the first part.

The number of cars that can do 155+ is really not that large, and traffic densities are heavy enough on most of the network that it would not be a common occurrence, so I don't think the network would be turned into a racetrack for millionaires doing Chiron top speed runs 24/7 lol

I would like to think that with a higher limit, people happy to potter (smugly?) along at 69mph would (finally) realise they can't just sit in lane 2/3 'because I'm doing the speed limit so no-one should be going faster than me'.

Cars have become too capable nowadays in some ways, I think - if you drove a Morris Marina in the old days you knew you would be holding people up in Jaaaags and so on so (I would imagine) would be more willing to accept that others want to and are capable of going faster, and would move back in accordingly after an overtake.

Now, even a three-cylinder 0.9l city car can do 70mph with relative ease, so it seems that people just refuse to let others past or respect correct lane discipline.


<shakes fist at cloud>

[dcb]

bigothunter said:

I would happily settle for UK motorway limit of 100 mph.

Not going to happen. It has been obvious for decades that, from a road safety viewpoint,
the UK would benefit from the 70 mph limit moving to 80 mph. Lives saved, time saved etc.

It hasn't happened because the UK authorities like overcontrolling the masses and the Brake
idiots are in charge.

If the obvious and beneficial hasn't happened, then something totally unrealistic really won't
happen either.

Meanwhile, other countries aren't idiots and are reaping the social and economic benefits
of sensible science based limits that have wide voter acceptance.

[Toltec]

dcb said:

Not going to happen. It has been obvious for decades that, from a road safety viewpoint,
the UK would benefit from the 70 mph limit moving to 80 mph. Lives saved, time saved etc.

It hasn't happened because the UK authorities like overcontrolling the masses and the Brake
idiots are in charge.

If the obvious and beneficial hasn't happened, then something totally unrealistic really won't
happen either.

Meanwhile, other countries aren't idiots and are reaping the social and economic benefits
of sensible science based limits that have wide voter acceptance.

The French 130km/h with 110km/h when raining seems reasonable.

[DodgyGeezer]

Toltec said:

The French 130km/h with 110km/h when raining seems reasonable.

sadly I honestly think that a significant proportion of drivers (the majority?) are so stupid that the lower limit would be ignored because the overhead gantries haven't told them it's raining. In all honesty I'm surprised that they remember to turn on their wipers in the first place!

[Toltec]

bigothunter said:

Toltec said:

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

They pretty much sit in the outside lane blasting past vehicles in the middle lane at high differential speed. Not seeing a lot of lane discipline or common sense there.

But is driving at these elevated speeds dangerous for competent drivers?

nb I'm not suggesting that most British drivers could cope. They couldn't because their abilities have been dulled by restrictions

There is going to be a slightly higher risk due to mechanical failure, otherwise not really. The main problem is you have no idea if the vehicle you are passing in the neighbouring lane at a 50mph+ differential contains a competent driver.

Anything much over 20mph and I like to have a spare lane between me and any other traffic. If I had ever done 150mph+ occasionally it would have been on a stretch of motorway without any other vehicles on it at all. It could be that German drivers trust one another rather more than I trust other drivers.

[robinessex]

bigothunter said:

Kawasicki said:

robinessex said:

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

Even better. +300mph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pg1hhW5qhM

I`ve driven on the Autobahn at over 200mph, it was remarkably unremarkable... adding another full 100mph to that is impressive.

Unfortunately both of you have just destroyed the case for unrestricted cars on unrestricted roads. IMO 250 km/h (155 mph) is pushing it - any more has become silly.

I would happily settle for UK motorway limit of 100 mph. Paradoxically 100 mph capability was part of the motorway design brief back in 1959. Now we can't even adopt the European standard 80 mph without Brake and others crying 'inhumane'. Actually 100 km/h (62 mph) is gaining momentum in mainland Europe. I'm sure UK can go one 'better' by reducing motorways to 60 mph. There are plenty of excuses why such a low speed is essential.

All rather sad and pathetic

I agree. If you leave the room then, you won't be so stressed and upset anymore. All the best.

[Kawasicki]

bigothunter said:

Kawasicki said:

robinessex said:

robinessex said:

For all of those 'you're going to die' if you go over 20mph and speed kills advocates. This show it doesn't. Pay close attention to lane discipline, nothing like that in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTuUOX_ccc

Even better. +300mph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pg1hhW5qhM

I`ve driven on the Autobahn at over 200mph, it was remarkably unremarkable... adding another full 100mph to that is impressive.

Unfortunately both of you have just destroyed the case for unrestricted cars on unrestricted roads. IMO 250 km/h (155 mph) is pushing it - any more has become silly.

I would happily settle for UK motorway limit of 100 mph. Paradoxically 100 mph capability was part of the motorway design brief back in 1959. Now we can't even adopt the European standard 80 mph without Brake and others crying 'inhumane'. Actually 100 km/h (62 mph) is gaining momentum in mainland Europe. I'm sure UK can go one 'better' by reducing motorways to 60 mph. There are plenty of excuses why such a low speed is essential.

All rather sad and pathetic

You’re going to have to explain to me how driving a car designed to (be easy to) drive above 250km/h above 250km/h is silly.

I‘ve sat for hundred (maybe thousands) of kms at 270km/h. Very uneventful, really didn’t feel silly.