mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?
Discussion
Kawasicki said:
You’re going to have to explain to me how driving a car designed to (be easy to) drive above 250km/h above 250km/h is silly.
I‘ve sat for hundred (maybe thousands) of kms at 270km/h. Very uneventful, really didn’t feel silly.
Same old factors:I‘ve sat for hundred (maybe thousands) of kms at 270km/h. Very uneventful, really didn’t feel silly.
Tyre loads increasing rapidly
Differential speed with adjacent vehicles, many hard limited to just 90km/h (delta of 160km/h seems plenty)
Reaction time when some numpty pulls out (eg British driver at 65 mph)
Braking distances
Aerodynamic stability
Etc, etc...
But those limits are subjective and arbitrary. One man's 155 mph is another man's 75 mph. Perhaps even 200 mph for some...
As wel all can clearly understand, speed limits are not the answer and never really have been, they are simply the easy option and is probably a cost effective means to approximate safer roads. I'm not sure if they generate a revenue or not, although revenue gain is a weak argument if we are facing the prospect of motorists being largely unable to breech the limit.
The real solution is to have far fewer, but better qualified, drivers on the road. Much better to have drivers capable of driving at high speed safely. I've never understood why learning to drive is so easy and never followed up on, including those that learn in even less rigourous systems. The fact that this has never happened, suggests that road safety isn't really a problem that needs to be solved, it just helps to be seen to be doing something about it I suspect.
The real solution is to have far fewer, but better qualified, drivers on the road. Much better to have drivers capable of driving at high speed safely. I've never understood why learning to drive is so easy and never followed up on, including those that learn in even less rigourous systems. The fact that this has never happened, suggests that road safety isn't really a problem that needs to be solved, it just helps to be seen to be doing something about it I suspect.
bigothunter said:
Kawasicki said:
You’re going to have to explain to me how driving a car designed to (be easy to) drive above 250km/h above 250km/h is silly.
I‘ve sat for hundred (maybe thousands) of kms at 270km/h. Very uneventful, really didn’t feel silly.
Same old factors:I‘ve sat for hundred (maybe thousands) of kms at 270km/h. Very uneventful, really didn’t feel silly.
Tyre loads increasing rapidly
Differential speed with adjacent vehicles, many hard limited to just 90km/h (delta of 160km/h seems plenty)
Reaction time when some numpty pulls out (eg British driver at 65 mph)
Braking distances
Aerodynamic stability
Etc, etc...
But those limits are subjective and arbitrary. One man's 155 mph is another man's 75 mph. Perhaps even 200 mph for some...
All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
MikeM6 said:
As wel all can clearly understand, speed limits are not the answer and never really have been, they are simply the easy option and is probably a cost effective means to approximate safer roads. I'm not sure if they generate a revenue or not, although revenue gain is a weak argument if we are facing the prospect of motorists being largely unable to breech the limit.
The real solution is to have far fewer, but better qualified, drivers on the road. Much better to have drivers capable of driving at high speed safely. I've never understood why learning to drive is so easy and never followed up on, including those that learn in even less rigourous systems. The fact that this has never happened, suggests that road safety isn't really a problem that needs to be solved, it just helps to be seen to be doing something about it I suspect.
I've said it before, every year, +3yr old cars have to have all their nuts checked. The most dangerous nut in the car, however, the driver, passes a mediocre test, and can then drive ad finitum without any check-ups to make sure they maintain their skill. I also endorse having grade licenses, and the speed you can drive on motorways commensurate with your driving skills.The real solution is to have far fewer, but better qualified, drivers on the road. Much better to have drivers capable of driving at high speed safely. I've never understood why learning to drive is so easy and never followed up on, including those that learn in even less rigourous systems. The fact that this has never happened, suggests that road safety isn't really a problem that needs to be solved, it just helps to be seen to be doing something about it I suspect.
dcb said:
bigothunter said:
I would happily settle for UK motorway limit of 100 mph.
Not going to happen. It has been obvious for decades that, from a road safety viewpoint,the UK would benefit from the 70 mph limit moving to 80 mph. Lives saved, time saved etc.
It hasn't happened because the UK authorities like overcontrolling the masses and the Brake
idiots are in charge.
If the obvious and beneficial hasn't happened, then something totally unrealistic really won't
happen either.
Meanwhile, other countries aren't idiots and are reaping the social and economic benefits
of sensible science based limits that have wide voter acceptance.
Just leave earlier...
Kawasicki said:
All the technical aspects of the vehicle are accounted for by design & maintenance.
All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
A few observation about speeds, all IMHO.All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
bigothunter said:
Kawasicki said:
All the technical aspects of the vehicle are accounted for by design & maintenance.
All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
A few observation about speeds, all IMHO.All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
I'd suggest you don't have the mental capacity at that age to drive anywhere near those higher speeds, and it's probably your deteriorating mental capacity, that makes you think you do.
sociopath said:
If you were on the m45 and had a car capable of high speed in the mid 70s, that probably puts you somewhere in your 70s now.
I'd suggest you don't have the mental capacity at that age to drive anywhere near those higher speeds, and it's probably your deteriorating mental capacity, that makes you think you do.
Actually 69 but 70 is looming this year.I'd suggest you don't have the mental capacity at that age to drive anywhere near those higher speeds, and it's probably your deteriorating mental capacity, that makes you think you do.
I'm at Cadwell on March 30th, Croft on April 24th and Brands GP later on. Will schedule at least another five events this year. Happy to share the track with you at any time
If you want a challenge, try telling Reg Gange he is over the hill and see what happens
sociopath said:
bigothunter said:
Kawasicki said:
All the technical aspects of the vehicle are accounted for by design & maintenance.
All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
A few observation about speeds, all IMHO.All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
I'd suggest you don't have the mental capacity at that age to drive anywhere near those higher speeds, and it's probably your deteriorating mental capacity, that makes you think you do.
Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental disorder in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ant...
bigothunter said:
A few observation about speeds, all IMHO.
Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
But you have omitted the reason for the speed limits in the first place. They are to keep other road users safe, they are not for the benefit of drivers who believe that they are special and have some sort of inherent right to endanger everyone else.Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
NMNeil said:
bigothunter said:
A few observation about speeds, all IMHO.
Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
But you have omitted the reason for the speed limits in the first place. They are to keep other road users safe, they are not for the benefit of drivers who believe that they are special and have some sort of inherent right to endanger everyone else.Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
Numpties matter - Keep them safe...
Edited by bigothunter on Sunday 22 January 16:41
robinessex said:
sociopath said:
bigothunter said:
Kawasicki said:
All the technical aspects of the vehicle are accounted for by design & maintenance.
All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
A few observation about speeds, all IMHO.All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
I'd suggest you don't have the mental capacity at that age to drive anywhere near those higher speeds, and it's probably your deteriorating mental capacity, that makes you think you do.
Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental disorder in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ant...
NMNeil said:
But you have omitted the reason for the speed limits in the first place. They are to keep other road users safe, they are not for the benefit of drivers who believe that they are special and have some sort of inherent right to endanger everyone else.
Good drivers DON'T choose an speed inapropriate for the status of the road they're on. If the traffic on a motorway is busy, then I'll settle for going with the flow. If it happens to be very light traffic, then I'd welcome the opportunity to progress more rapidly.bigothunter said:
sociopath said:
If you were on the m45 and had a car capable of high speed in the mid 70s, that probably puts you somewhere in your 70s now.
I'd suggest you don't have the mental capacity at that age to drive anywhere near those higher speeds, and it's probably your deteriorating mental capacity, that makes you think you do.
Actually 69 but 70 is looming this year.I'd suggest you don't have the mental capacity at that age to drive anywhere near those higher speeds, and it's probably your deteriorating mental capacity, that makes you think you do.
I'm at Cadwell on March 30th, Croft on April 24th and Brands GP later on. Will schedule at least another five events this year. Happy to share the track with you at any time
If you want a challenge, try telling Reg Gange he is over the hill and see what happens
If you can't see the difference, there really is no hope
robinessex said:
NMNeil said:
But you have omitted the reason for the speed limits in the first place. They are to keep other road users safe, they are not for the benefit of drivers who believe that they are special and have some sort of inherent right to endanger everyone else.
Good drivers DON'T choose an speed inapropriate for the status of the road they're on. If the traffic on a motorway is busy, then I'll settle for going with the flow. If it happens to be very light traffic, then I'd welcome the opportunity to progress more rapidly.
Leave blind obedience to those who are mentally impaired...
sociopath said:
robinessex said:
sociopath said:
bigothunter said:
Kawasicki said:
All the technical aspects of the vehicle are accounted for by design & maintenance.
All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
A few observation about speeds, all IMHO.All the human factors are also fairly easy to account for. I don’t pass people with a high differential speed, for example.
The environmental aspects are not always easy to account for, but I do my best to best to be aware, expect the unexpected, and maintain exit strategies.
Motorway/autobahn at indicated speedo (over) reading:
70mph Monotony; doze off
85mph Minimum engagement speed
100mph Realistic motorway cruising speed in medium to light traffic
124mph Realistic autobahn cruising speed in medium to light traffic
130mph Max sustainable speed for long distance (>1 hour) before fatigue becomes critical
150mph My highest road speed on empty M45 back in mid 1970s
155mph Ok for short duration when conditions and traffic allow
Circuit driving from GPS data:
152mph Snetterton Bentley Straight braking point approaching Brundle; full attention required
156mph Thruxton Woodham Hill braking point approaching Club Chicane; don't blink
I'd suggest you don't have the mental capacity at that age to drive anywhere near those higher speeds, and it's probably your deteriorating mental capacity, that makes you think you do.
Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental disorder in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ant...
bigothunter said:
robinessex said:
NMNeil said:
But you have omitted the reason for the speed limits in the first place. They are to keep other road users safe, they are not for the benefit of drivers who believe that they are special and have some sort of inherent right to endanger everyone else.
Good drivers DON'T choose an speed inapropriate for the status of the road they're on. If the traffic on a motorway is busy, then I'll settle for going with the flow. If it happens to be very light traffic, then I'd welcome the opportunity to progress more rapidly.Leave blind obedience to those who are mentally impaired...
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