mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?
Discussion
irocfan said:
...provided that there were enough local cars available fr use without a lengthy wait...
this would, I suspect be the proverbial fly in the ointment. A personal transportation device (let's call it car) is there waiting for you 24/7; just want to pop over to see your parents? Car, no wait. Emergency? Car, no wait. Spur of the moment trip to YYZ? No rush, the car is waiting for your trip. Moving pictures (rubbish/whatever)? Car, no wait.....
You could still buy an autonomous EV but the point is, there is no need. In urban environments, this pay-as-you-go scheme could work really well.this would, I suspect be the proverbial fly in the ointment. A personal transportation device (let's call it car) is there waiting for you 24/7; just want to pop over to see your parents? Car, no wait. Emergency? Car, no wait. Spur of the moment trip to YYZ? No rush, the car is waiting for your trip. Moving pictures (rubbish/whatever)? Car, no wait.....
Im sure the Snowflakes will welcome this, Personally For me it means I wont bother buying a new car again, but I'm sure that's exactly what they want. its all about getting people to use something else other than a car.
Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
Edited by fatboy18 on Thursday 28th March 23:36
They went for a much much more draconian action then
I guess I'll buy a last car just before the curtain comes down or maybe I'll splash sooner on a last 'exotic' and keep that. My E46M3 was v expensive for me at the time and I had that 14 years
That's : this is an excuse to buy a Porsche
I am somewhat saddened by the apathy here on PH to this TBH - but the soul left this site about 5 years ago. It is a relic infested by the terminally brainwashed (mostly) now it seems......
I'm out.
I guess I'll buy a last car just before the curtain comes down or maybe I'll splash sooner on a last 'exotic' and keep that. My E46M3 was v expensive for me at the time and I had that 14 years
That's : this is an excuse to buy a Porsche
I am somewhat saddened by the apathy here on PH to this TBH - but the soul left this site about 5 years ago. It is a relic infested by the terminally brainwashed (mostly) now it seems......
I'm out.
The stated goal from the EU is for no road deaths by 2050!
What grips me is that no one asked for this or voted for it! It is just being imposed upon us. It is Orwellian to say the least - control the masses, take away freedom.....
As for the driverless model - how is that going to work? You will need a huge number to cope with rush hour which will then sit redundant the rest of the time. Not an economic model! And I live in the middle of nowhere, with no white lines on the roads to guide these abominations!! How do I call a pod to get to work?
What grips me is that no one asked for this or voted for it! It is just being imposed upon us. It is Orwellian to say the least - control the masses, take away freedom.....
As for the driverless model - how is that going to work? You will need a huge number to cope with rush hour which will then sit redundant the rest of the time. Not an economic model! And I live in the middle of nowhere, with no white lines on the roads to guide these abominations!! How do I call a pod to get to work?
Is it not true that most accidents happen at below the speed limit?
I owned a small transport company when the speed limiters for HGVs were introduced and it made driving quite tiring.
I recall going to Scotland for the very first time driving a speed limited truck and coming across a Fiesta doing 50mph or so but as soon as I tried to overtake it matched my speed, so I pulled back and the Fiesta driver reduced his speed too so once again I pulled out and tried to overtake but was again my speed got matched. I tried several times over the next 30 or 40 miles and each time the same happened, so I pulled into the services and took 30 minute break. As I passed the very next service station down the slip road comes the Fiesta again and once again it starts playing with me,
That is the problem with speed limiters, come to a hill for example and your speeds are matched
I owned a small transport company when the speed limiters for HGVs were introduced and it made driving quite tiring.
I recall going to Scotland for the very first time driving a speed limited truck and coming across a Fiesta doing 50mph or so but as soon as I tried to overtake it matched my speed, so I pulled back and the Fiesta driver reduced his speed too so once again I pulled out and tried to overtake but was again my speed got matched. I tried several times over the next 30 or 40 miles and each time the same happened, so I pulled into the services and took 30 minute break. As I passed the very next service station down the slip road comes the Fiesta again and once again it starts playing with me,
That is the problem with speed limiters, come to a hill for example and your speeds are matched
Yep - not a speed limiter but took my daughter on the A1 for some motorway/dual carriageway practise. She has a black box fitted so had to stick to the limit rigidly. We had exactly the same thing when she tried and overtake. It was much more dangerous than actually putting her foot down and getting past!
Davismatt said:
This needs to be resisted and resisted firmly. I for one will not buy a car fitted with this technoclogy even if it means I keep the ones I have now forever.
Sign sign sign!https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/251938
fatboy18 said:
Im sure the Snowflakes will welcome this, Personally For me it means I wont bother buying a new car again, but I'm sure that's exactly what they want. its all about getting people to use something else other than a car.
Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
What road car do you have?Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
Edited by fatboy18 on Thursday 28th March 23:36
Signed the thing anyway.
xjay1337 said:
fatboy18 said:
Im sure the Snowflakes will welcome this, Personally For me it means I wont bother buying a new car again, but I'm sure that's exactly what they want. its all about getting people to use something else other than a car.
Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
What road car do you have?Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
Edited by fatboy18 on Thursday 28th March 23:36
Signed the thing anyway.
IMG_6117 by Fatboy 18, on FlickrClick on picture for video link
fatboy18 said:
xjay1337 said:
fatboy18 said:
Im sure the Snowflakes will welcome this, Personally For me it means I wont bother buying a new car again, but I'm sure that's exactly what they want. its all about getting people to use something else other than a car.
Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
What road car do you have?Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
Edited by fatboy18 on Thursday 28th March 23:36
Signed the thing anyway.
IMG_6117 by Fatboy 18, on FlickrClick on picture for video link
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There is NO WAY IN HELL I will ever buy one of these cars. Another of these neo-feudalistic peasant control instruments.
First there will be incentives via insurance (you pay less), then there will be sanctions if you do not use it (you pay more), and finally it will be mandatory by "law".
Classic cars just rose in value 100++ percent.
There is NO WAY IN HELL I will ever buy one of these cars. Another of these neo-feudalistic peasant control instruments.
First there will be incentives via insurance (you pay less), then there will be sanctions if you do not use it (you pay more), and finally it will be mandatory by "law".
Classic cars just rose in value 100++ percent.
omex said:
I think in general it is a good thing, there will be much less car accidents. But there should be a switch to turn it of if you go on a track or something like that.
Most car accidents happen at LOW Speed!People stationary at roundabouts, get rear ended, people pulling out of side turnings not seeing motorcycle or other car,( Duke of Kent).
In percentage terms more slow speed accidents than High speed
fatboy18 said:
ost car accidents happen at LOW Speed!
People stationary at roundabouts, get rear ended, people pulling out of side turnings not seeing motorcycle or other car,( Duke of Kent).
In percentage terms more slow speed accidents than High speed
But by imposing ever lower speed limits, consequences of even low speed impacts are much reduced. Energy dissipated in a 20 mph shunt is over twice that dissipated at 14 mph. So there's a good reason to introduce a blanket 14 mph limit in towns. But let's be generous and call it 15 mph as proposed for City of London People stationary at roundabouts, get rear ended, people pulling out of side turnings not seeing motorcycle or other car,( Duke of Kent).
In percentage terms more slow speed accidents than High speed
http://roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/15mph-speed-limit-...
bigdog3 said:
fatboy18 said:
ost car accidents happen at LOW Speed!
People stationary at roundabouts, get rear ended, people pulling out of side turnings not seeing motorcycle or other car,( Duke of Kent).
In percentage terms more slow speed accidents than High speed
But by imposing ever lower speed limits, consequences of even low speed impacts are much reduced. Energy dissipated in a 20 mph shunt is over twice that dissipated at 14 mph. So there's a good reason to introduce a blanket 14 mph limit in towns. But let's be generous and call it 15 mph as proposed for City of London People stationary at roundabouts, get rear ended, people pulling out of side turnings not seeing motorcycle or other car,( Duke of Kent).
In percentage terms more slow speed accidents than High speed
http://roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/15mph-speed-limit-...
Ridiculous.
Khan needs to jog on. Then again who would want to drive into central?
xjay1337 said:
Well, there is a still 4 times more energy dissipated in a 15mph shunt as there is at a 2mph shunt so why not make the limit 2?
Ridiculous.
Khan needs to jog on. Then again who would want to drive into central?
Those who have no choice :/ Ridiculous.
Khan needs to jog on. Then again who would want to drive into central?
Likely going to apply to motorbike as well which won’t be ideal
xjay1337 said:
Well, there is a still 4 times more energy dissipated in a 15mph shunt as there is at a 2mph shunt so why not make the limit 2?
Ridiculous. Khan needs to jog on.
You've underestimated - there's 56 times more energy at 15mph than 2mph.Ridiculous. Khan needs to jog on.
Which makes the point very well - comes down to mindset. For some, the only safe car is a stationary one and the only non-polluting car has its engine switched off. Which is not too far from their real objective...
fatboy18 said:
ost car accidents happen at LOW Speed!
People stationary at roundabouts, get rear ended, people pulling out of side turnings not seeing motorcycle or other car,( Duke of Kent).
In percentage terms more slow speed accidents than High speed
How many people die in the low speed accidents compared to high speed ones?People stationary at roundabouts, get rear ended, people pulling out of side turnings not seeing motorcycle or other car,( Duke of Kent).
In percentage terms more slow speed accidents than High speed
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