mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?
Discussion
jimPH said:
A black box can be fitted to any car less than 22yo. Fair enough, that exempts a few old fast cossies etc, but I bet it covers 98% of what is currently on the road. I'm sure exemptions can be made on certain cars, but I would expect some kind of mandatory device in the years to come, should it become standard for new cars. I might be wrong, but it's not something I'll be surprised to find out once those wedges get wider.
Volvo, or rather their Chinese owners Geely, see the writing on the wall and have started fitting speed limiters as standard.https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/4/18246665/volvo-t...
NMNeil said:
321boost said:
It ran for 6 months and got less than 2000 signatures.What does that tell you?
xjay1337 said:
NMNeil said:
321boost said:
It ran for 6 months and got less than 2000 signatures.What does that tell you?
Harry_523 said:
2 issues I hold with this:
1. Its widely accepted that the speed limits are what they are still to cater for the braking distances of old cars still on the road and keep emissions down. So its almost ironic that it'll be brand new cars forced to stay at the limit, whilst the old, less capable (in theory) cars that can do whatever speed they like.
2. As older cars will be able to do what ever speed they like, will insurance companies ramp up rates on these "free" cars, forcing people into new, restricted ones?
The issue I have with this is speed limits aren't just about stopping distance. 1. Its widely accepted that the speed limits are what they are still to cater for the braking distances of old cars still on the road and keep emissions down. So its almost ironic that it'll be brand new cars forced to stay at the limit, whilst the old, less capable (in theory) cars that can do whatever speed they like.
2. As older cars will be able to do what ever speed they like, will insurance companies ramp up rates on these "free" cars, forcing people into new, restricted ones?
Noise is the big one for me.
Driver reaction times.
Its not particularly ironic.
Pre 85 cars don't have rear seat belts, so you don't have to wear them, they also don't have airbags and crumple zones like modern cars, making them safer without a seat belt. There are all sorts of examples of progress..
I don't agree with it, but unfortunately the people who are idiots about the rules, are the ones that cause them to be enforced.
Insurance companies will price as per the risk.
Henners84 said:
Is this still occurring? If so I pity those future gr yaris owners who are now being pushed to 2022 model year cars...
It never was happening, the speed limiter thing was click bait from the start.“ The Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) system could reduce fatalities on EU roads by 20%, according to estimates. “ISA will provide a driver with feedback, based on maps and road sign observation, always when speed limit is exceeded. We do not introduce a speed limiter, but an intelligent system which will make drivers fully aware when they're over speeding. This will not only make all of us safer, but also help drivers to avoid speeding tickets”, Ms Thun said.”
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/...
The relevant legislation also defines ISA as “ intelligent speed assistance means a system to aid the driver in maintaining the appropriate speed for the road environment by providing dedicated and appropriate feedback”
Nothing about a limiter there either.
https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/safety/speed-...
The system has an on/off switch too. The default setting for the system is on, but it can be switched off.
If you turn it off, the system will remain off until you restart the vehicle.
The system has an on/off switch too. The default setting for the system is on, but it can be switched off.
If you turn it off, the system will remain off until you restart the vehicle.
A500leroy said:
https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/safety/speed-...
The system has an on/off switch too. The default setting for the system is on, but it can be switched off.
If you turn it off, the system will remain off until you restart the vehicle.
For now...The system has an on/off switch too. The default setting for the system is on, but it can be switched off.
If you turn it off, the system will remain off until you restart the vehicle.
IIRC the EU papers themselves stated (and I paraphrase): "The system should be voluntary initially, in order to increase uptake, before being made mandatory and non-switchable at all times. This is to ensure enforcement of speed limits at all times."
Fat hippo said:
Whats the deal on classic cars?
Would it be possible to fit these onto them? What is the cutoff? Cars running carbs vs injection or just ECUs?
Are you actively seeking to install one?Would it be possible to fit these onto them? What is the cutoff? Cars running carbs vs injection or just ECUs?
Or are you just wondering if they are required to be retrofitted?
At the moment it's only new cars sold from 2022.
Fat hippo said:
Whats the deal on classic cars?
Would it be possible to fit these onto them? What is the cutoff? Cars running carbs vs injection or just ECUs?
I’m guessing they’d be exempt. Would it be possible to fit these onto them? What is the cutoff? Cars running carbs vs injection or just ECUs?
My pair of classics are already limited to 40mph by nothing more than age, physics and the size of the drivers kahoonies.
RSTurboPaul said:
A500leroy said:
https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/safety/speed-...
The system has an on/off switch too. The default setting for the system is on, but it can be switched off.
If you turn it off, the system will remain off until you restart the vehicle.
For now...The system has an on/off switch too. The default setting for the system is on, but it can be switched off.
If you turn it off, the system will remain off until you restart the vehicle.
IIRC the EU papers themselves stated (and I paraphrase): "The system should be voluntary initially, in order to increase uptake, before being made mandatory and non-switchable at all times. This is to ensure enforcement of speed limits at all times."
They did the same with TC & Stop/Start too.
charltjr said:
It never was happening, the speed limiter thing was click bait from the start.
“ The Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) system could reduce fatalities on EU roads by 20%, according to estimates. “ISA will provide a driver with feedback, based on maps and road sign observation, always when speed limit is exceeded. We do not introduce a speed limiter, but an intelligent system which will make drivers fully aware when they're over speeding. This will not only make all of us safer, but also help drivers to avoid speeding tickets”, Ms Thun said.”
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/...
The relevant legislation also defines ISA as “ intelligent speed assistance means a system to aid the driver in maintaining the appropriate speed for the road environment by providing dedicated and appropriate feedback”
Nothing about a limiter there either.
This sounds like the system used in taxis in Dubai. Your in car screen bleeps and warns you that you are speeding. You get a few quick on screen reminders then you are told a speeding ticket is being issued. No limiter or intervention, and presumably excessive tickets lead to a ban. “ The Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) system could reduce fatalities on EU roads by 20%, according to estimates. “ISA will provide a driver with feedback, based on maps and road sign observation, always when speed limit is exceeded. We do not introduce a speed limiter, but an intelligent system which will make drivers fully aware when they're over speeding. This will not only make all of us safer, but also help drivers to avoid speeding tickets”, Ms Thun said.”
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/...
The relevant legislation also defines ISA as “ intelligent speed assistance means a system to aid the driver in maintaining the appropriate speed for the road environment by providing dedicated and appropriate feedback”
Nothing about a limiter there either.
cibble10 said:
charltjr said:
It never was happening, the speed limiter thing was click bait from the start.
“ The Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) system could reduce fatalities on EU roads by 20%, according to estimates. “ISA will provide a driver with feedback, based on maps and road sign observation, always when speed limit is exceeded. We do not introduce a speed limiter, but an intelligent system which will make drivers fully aware when they're over speeding. This will not only make all of us safer, but also help drivers to avoid speeding tickets”, Ms Thun said.”
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/...
The relevant legislation also defines ISA as “ intelligent speed assistance means a system to aid the driver in maintaining the appropriate speed for the road environment by providing dedicated and appropriate feedback”
Nothing about a limiter there either.
This sounds like the system used in taxis in Dubai. Your in car screen bleeps and warns you that you are speeding. You get a few quick on screen reminders then you are told a speeding ticket is being issued. No limiter or intervention, and presumably excessive tickets lead to a ban. “ The Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) system could reduce fatalities on EU roads by 20%, according to estimates. “ISA will provide a driver with feedback, based on maps and road sign observation, always when speed limit is exceeded. We do not introduce a speed limiter, but an intelligent system which will make drivers fully aware when they're over speeding. This will not only make all of us safer, but also help drivers to avoid speeding tickets”, Ms Thun said.”
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/...
The relevant legislation also defines ISA as “ intelligent speed assistance means a system to aid the driver in maintaining the appropriate speed for the road environment by providing dedicated and appropriate feedback”
Nothing about a limiter there either.
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