The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XIX)

The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XIX)

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Stick Legs

4,950 posts

166 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Love the Series 2 XJ12.

Objectively awful but I have serious wants & will end up with one one day.

braddo

10,530 posts

189 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Stick Legs said:


Love the Series 2 XJ12.

Objectively awful but I have serious wants & will end up with one one day.
Anyone know if there are benefits to the bendy exhausts, like preventing fumes into the boot/cabin? I'm not a fan. Rover SD1s and old Volvos blighted by the same thing.

I really like these old Jags but ultimately I prefer 60s Mercs for a comfy classic.

Blown2CV

28,887 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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braddo said:
Stick Legs said:


Love the Series 2 XJ12.

Objectively awful but I have serious wants & will end up with one one day.
Anyone know if there are benefits to the bendy exhausts, like preventing fumes into the boot/cabin? I'm not a fan. Rover SD1s and old Volvos blighted by the same thing.

I really like these old Jags but ultimately I prefer 60s Mercs for a comfy classic.
i think the bendy exhausts were more an aesthetic thing to avoid the car looking narrow or non-luxury

Stick Legs

4,950 posts

166 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Early prototypes of the S1 XJ had straight pipes, bendy pipes were added after it was discovered that the fumes entered the boot area and cabin.

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Sunday 23rd April 2023
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Not sure how optimistic the bhp claim is but not sure we care. Almost 20 years old or wait 2 years then surely firmly into classic status. Such a shame its just black.


https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14921105

Crook

6,796 posts

225 months

Sunday 23rd April 2023
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I really want one - not sure how feasible that is at the moment although the first step to stupid cardom has been taken and I get an ID.3 in a couple of weeks: never driven one, don’t know (care) what the actual spec is; I know it’s Manganese grey and it’s the briskest option.


ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Sunday 23rd April 2023
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I've seen a few 5 series getting the manual gearbox treatment recently but for me it would need to be the M6. If the SMG is that bad that is. But I've never driven one. All I know is the engine is nuts. 20 years ago my boss had a brand new 645i and I did lust over it a teeny bit. I quite like the bangle design.

Mattygooner

5,301 posts

205 months

Sunday 23rd April 2023
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The engine is key, and the gearbox isn't great, but it's not as bad as it is made out to be, will bimble around and work well when pushing on. All when it is working (mine is back with BMW for the 5th time in 7 months with an unresolved gearbox issue). I don't think a manual box would improve it, a current ZF unit would.

I have driven all manner of warm BMW complimentary cars in the meantime, and the engines despite power and ultimate pace is always a little souless. Although the current, an M5 Competition is a great car and the speed and ease of which it deploys its power is impressive, i still smile less when pushing on without the symphony which accompanies the V10.

Crook

6,796 posts

225 months

Sunday 23rd April 2023
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I’ve only ever been in an M5 (driven by Sabine at Silverstone) and it was pretty insane.
The whole sound / sensation was something else.

Blown2CV

28,887 posts

204 months

Sunday 23rd April 2023
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my next car will be a F90 M5 comp (I think). Would a replacement exhaust / cats whatever solve the lack of noise?

Cheburator mk2

2,996 posts

200 months

Sunday 23rd April 2023
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Blown2CV said:
my next car will be a F90 M5 comp (I think). Would a replacement exhaust / cats whatever solve the lack of noise?
Yes, but it would never solve the urgency and the manic delivery which every single NA ///M had and is now gone forever.

Back in the day when the F10 M5 premiered I got one for a weekend from Sytner Harold Wood - I had an E61 M5 at the time. The new car was a lot quicker than the V10. No doubt about it. And it was as interesting to drive as a washing machine. Yes, at 9/10 it mega, but it just didn’t have that pop and zing that the V10 has. I still think that subjectively, the E60/61 was the best M5 they ever made.

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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I'm rather infatuated with this at the moment.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14329081

Been looking at 340i touring and 440i GCs for a while now and this somehow feels miles better value than the ~£25k plus these seem to be commanding at similar age and mileage.

Fast Bug

11,721 posts

162 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Those have always looked better than the 6 Series Coupe in my eyes, not sure why

braddo

10,530 posts

189 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Fast Bug said:
Those have always looked better than the 6 Series Coupe in my eyes, not sure why
Agreed, I think they look really good. Very much an exception amongst modern BMWs!

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Fast Bug said:
Those have always looked better than the 6 Series Coupe in my eyes, not sure why
I think exactly the same- and with the M3 versus M4, 4 series versus 4GC. They just look much better balanced and proportioned to my eye.

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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HM-2 said:
I'm rather infatuated with this at the moment.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14329081

Been looking at 340i touring and 440i GCs for a while now and this somehow feels miles better value than the ~£25k plus these seem to be commanding at similar age and mileage.
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6 series cockpit much more premium with stitched leather over everything.

But that leather looks like a nightmare to keep clean. Its already grubby looking to my eye.


Fast Bug

11,721 posts

162 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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I had a CLS with a similar colour interior. Baby wipes are good for keeping it looking nice, I know this as interiors that colour and toddlers do not mix well laugh

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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Fast Bug said:
I had a CLS with a similar colour interior. Baby wipes are good for keeping it looking nice, I know this as interiors that colour and toddlers do not mix well laugh
This and the 5m length are the only things that I'm hesitant about, given I've got a 3 year old daughter and another on the way in August...

ATM

18,300 posts

220 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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ATM said:
Like

6 series cockpit much more premium with stitched leather over everything.

But that leather looks like a nightmare to keep clean. Its already grubby looking to my eye.

Can this be recovered - as in not a new cover - as in brought back to good by scrubbing or something. Even the arm rest/s - both - look tarnished.

Fast Bug

11,721 posts

162 months

Monday 24th April 2023
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HM-2 said:
Fast Bug said:
I had a CLS with a similar colour interior. Baby wipes are good for keeping it looking nice, I know this as interiors that colour and toddlers do not mix well laugh
This and the 5m length are the only things that I'm hesitant about, given I've got a 3 year old daughter and another on the way in August...
Mine was the shooting brake version, great car but they are huge!

ATM said:
Can this be recovered - as in not a new cover - as in brought back to good by scrubbing or something. Even the arm rest/s - both - look tarnished.
A decent detailer could more than likely bring that back round.