RE: TR Supercars Speed 12 Turbo: Showpiece of the Week
Discussion
Equus said:
drjdog said:
"gotten" is an English English word, perhaps slightly out of fashion in use here, but it is definitely not an Americanism.
For 'slightly out of fashion' read 'disused completely' (apart from by transatlantic twerps).Look at any dictionary definition (or just listen to common usage), and they'll tell you that its current use is very much an Americanism.
The Oxford English Dictionary said:
The form gotten is not used in British English but is very common in North American English.
You've just complained about the writer using the word "gotten" and then you use the word "twerp"
M4CK 1 said:
I am intrigued why you would take the original 8l 12 cylinder out. It wasn't exactly lacking in power. The late Peter Wheeler thought it was to powerful for the road, 800+bhp in a car which weighed in about 1000kg. I'd be more than happy with that.
Because this isn't an original Speed12 or even a rebuilt one. The engines that remain in working condition are rare (maybe two working?), temperamental and prone to destroying heads. It's a recreation, a continuation, whatever. It's possibly using some original TVR chassis/tub and then everything is else is new or newly made. Read back on my post where I gave the link to a previous thread on PH where some people who really know what went on, discussed how many were made that could run under their own power (5?), how many actually still exist, could start from cold and drive along a road or track.
k me - that is something quite special. B17NNS said:
Never was a fan of the looks of the Cerbera Speed 12. Always thought it looked like a Cerb that had been covered in double sided tape and been used to ram raid Halfords.
This one on the other hand
Are you mental? You’ve got it the wrong way round. The later purple car is an absolute dog’s dinner, the original design is still a Cerbera but absolutely pumped chock full of steroids, which is exactly what it is. Fantastic thing. This one on the other hand
Venturist said:
B17NNS said:
Are you mental? You’ve got it the wrong way round. The later purple car is an absolute dog’s dinner, the original design is still a Cerbera but absolutely pumped chock full of steroids, which is exactly what it is. Fantastic thing. BelfastBoy said:
Dunno about Keith Flint, but in the 90s Liam Howlett from the same band definitely owned a McLaren F1 for a while.
And an AC Cobra S/C continuation iirc?Anyhoo, picking up on a comment on page 1, bit unfair banging on about poor history of a certain company involved in the Bluebird issue, let’s face it, plenty of major manufacturers manage to make a total hollyhocks of things;
Lamborghini with the Miura that lifted its nose at speed
Ferrari with spontaneous combusting engines on a recent model
Ford with RS Focus mk2 cylinder head / gasket issues
Shall I go on?
These are companies with untold £millions spent on R&D yet still manage to get things wrong
Personal view on this car though?
Not sure wether to like it or not, the original looked monstrous and at the same time monster-like, and time has moved on; there are much more cohesive designs around now.
And yet...it’s a two-fingered salute to Brussels, and if it creates its own hole in the ozone layer then I capplaid it.
Back off to the funny farm now, the men in the rubber ambulance have turned up for me.....
cookie1600 said:
M4CK 1 said:
I am intrigued why you would take the original 8l 12 cylinder out. It wasn't exactly lacking in power. The late Peter Wheeler thought it was to powerful for the road, 800+bhp in a car which weighed in about 1000kg. I'd be more than happy with that.
Because this isn't an original Speed12 or even a rebuilt one. The engines that remain in working condition are rare (maybe two working?), temperamental and prone to destroying heads. It's a recreation, a continuation, whatever. It's possibly using some original TVR chassis/tub and then everything is else is new or newly made. Read back on my post where I gave the link to a previous thread on PH where some people who really know what went on, discussed how many were made that could run under their own power (5?), how many actually still exist, could start from cold and drive along a road or track.
I love the rarity and the story of an amazing feat of engineering from a dream Peter would of had!!
A very remarkable man, a man of vision and a real shame they couldn't make TVR's reliable which really caused the demise of the company.
Unfortunately the new speed 12, although still amazing to look at and I'm sure the engineering is superb is overpowered and overpriced.
I'd still love to try it on a drag strip.
TIGA84 said:
WCZ said:
so it's not actually a speed 12? just a recreation with completely different parts ?
Nobody knows, the article mentions the single customer car being delivered, then this one, but there doesn't appear to be any further clarity as to whether this is that car, modified - or a new car built from parts.Either way its definitely 2 things.
1. Awesome
2. Overpriced. By £1m.
This has nothing to do with the original car, nothing to do with that original car being delivered (and now currently owned by a member of this forum).
It's an entirely new car, built by Helical Engineering, not by TVR.
It's obvious if you read the text properly.
M4CK 1 said:
Thanks. Just read the entire thread. Some amazing insight.
I found it a very compelling read and it's a shame that out of the units manufactured (including 'MDF show cars') only maybe a couple are still roadworthy or able to move under their own power with one of those I think being the first Aston twin-turbo engined machine, based on a genuine tub and possibly genuine panels (G1ABB ?). I'd love to hear an update on the original thread as to where they all are now, including the Cerbera Speed 12's, and in what state they're in. Come on TVR653X, V8 GRF, yellowwedge, 450Nick and G1ABB!
Equus said:
CAMELZED said:
" I'll gotten gains " is English.
But is the only remaining common usage, as an anachronism, in UK English... the very existence of which highlights the fact that that we don't use the word, otherwise.Please can we get back to the TVR
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