RE: VW crams V8 diesel into Touareg

[aaron_2000]

Sheepshanks said:

aaron_2000 said:

I'd hate to own an SUV without a diesel, low down grunt and constant low revs make it much quieter than any petrol I've ever driven.

The petrol SUVs in the US I've had as rentals are horrible and I've had several with V8s, although the Escalade wasn't wasn't too bad but even that didn't have the feeling of effortlessness you get from pretty well any turbo diesel.

Yeah I get what you mean. They never seem settled properly at highway speeds. The engine in the Expedition EL we had last time was good, although that was a turbo unit IIRC.

[Sheepshanks]

aaron_2000 said:

Yeah I get what you mean. They never seem settled properly at highway speeds. The engine in the Expedition EL we had last time was good, although that was a turbo unit IIRC.

It's getting them moving that I think is worse - a lot of revs and not much happening. My wife's diesel Tiguan is slow on paper but it feels powerful because its torque output is high. And it's doing a true 38MPG around town. Brilliant.

[wc98]

RizzoTheRat said:

"Crams" it in? The previous model was available with a V10 diesel, is this one smaller?

i made the mistake of getting a bit giddy in one of those in comfort mode or whatever the sloppier suspension setting was. van pulled out from behind an hgv while i was well north of 100mph on a long bend. the resulting tankslapper i will never, ever forget. entirely my own stupidity though.

[BGTROPHY]

People complaining about the use of diesels in a car like this obviously do not know the current market. It is a select few that worry about diesels and their place when buying a car like this. They buy it because they like it, let's not complain that they're putting a more powerful engine in it and that some people might even buy it so that we may pick them up for scraps in a few years time 😂😂

[st4]

Sheepshanks said:

The petrol SUVs in the US I've had as rentals are horrible and I've had several with V8s, although the Escalade wasn't wasn't too bad but even that didn't have the feeling of effortlessness you get from pretty well any turbo diesel.

Best SUVs I’ve driven were my petrol X5s and 4.5 v8 cayenne.

The diesels were slower, less wafty and less refined.

[The Wookie]

st4 said:

No, the diesel v8 cayenne. A nice petrol gts is about the same.

Totally aside a golf R engined Macan sounds great. I’ve experienced the lump in the R when I had the v6 diesel Mercedes. I felt the engine in the R was more suitable for my car than the engine in the then my car.

Diesels are vile.

If you say so, in the Macan I had I wasn’t sure if it was a diesel until I looked at the Rev counter.

As for GTS vs diesel, personally I prefer the sound of the V8 diesel to the V6, with the added bonus of 600 miles to a tank.

I get where you’re coming from, I’m not a diesel fan either but you need to get over the fact that they’re not all rattly tractor engines, some actually suit the cars they are in and work well.

[st4]

The Wookie said:

If you say so, in the Macan I had I wasn’t sure if it was a diesel until I looked at the Rev counter.

As for GTS vs diesel, personally I prefer the sound of the V8 diesel to the V6, with the added bonus of 600 miles to a tank.

I get where you’re coming from, I’m not a diesel fan either but you need to get over the fact that they’re not all rattly tractor engines, some actually suit the cars they are in and work well.

There is always the full fat v8 petrol turbo and turbo S

Depends on your hearing but I’ve had too many high end ones (not the ones you get in 4 pot skodas) to know they don’t hold a candle to a petrol.

600 miles range is great and I liked the fact I drove from Antwerp to Glasgow without filling and now with the petrol I might want fuel in the northern England area but that’s a minor hardship - my bladder cannot hold nor can my need to eat on such a long journey so gassing up isn’t a problem. I’d feel differently if fuel was much harder to come by and took longer to put in. However pumps chuck out a full tank in under 300seconds and are literally everywhere.

An extra £30 on such a journey-cheap at the price for genuinely good nvh

[The Wookie]

st4 said:

There is always the full fat v8 petrol turbo and turbo S

Depends on your hearing but I’ve had too many high end ones (not the ones you get in 4 pot skodas) to know they don’t hold a candle to a petrol.

600 miles range is great and I liked the fact I drove from Antwerp to Glasgow without filling and now with the petrol I might want fuel in the northern England area but that’s a minor hardship - my bladder cannot hold nor can my need to eat on such a long journey so gassing up isn’t a problem. I’d feel differently if fuel was much harder to come by and took longer to put in. However pumps chuck out a full tank in under 300seconds and are literally everywhere.

An extra £30 on such a journey-cheap at the price for genuinely good nvh

I didn’t think the normally aspirated V8 existed anymore and the Turbos were another 20 or 30 grand when I bought mine. Like I said your preference might be for a raspy V6 in a big car but I’d choose a big rumbly V8D any day of the week.

Also an extra £30 a journey adds up when you’re doing 30k a year. Also not sure why you need to do 600 miles in one stint for it to be useful, personally I like the ability to do 2 or 3 150-200 miles stints in a week without having to fill up. I’m using a 4.2 S/C Range Rover at the moment and I have to say I find the 300 mile range as tedious as the cost of 15mpg.

Frankly though it’s moot because with the absence of the new Cayenne having a diesel V8 I’ve got an F-Pace SVR on order, and my other half is having the Cayenne so I can still use it for the high mileage weeks and towing.

If there was a 550bhp V8 diesel option that drove and sounded like the Cayenne though I’d have had that and paid more money for it!