RE: 200mph, 545hp per tonne Ginetta unveiled
Discussion
Esceptico said:
I am assuming that all of the posters above could not afford this car. I suspect it is aimed at people that own many cars and have £400k to spend on another. That is a pretty small customer base. It would be interesting to hear from someone actually in that target market as to their views.
Would I have the Ginetta instead of (say) an F40? Never. Would I have the Ginetta in addition to an F40? I would certainly consider it if the driving experience was good enough.
Realistically even with its European racing heritage how many multi millionaire / billionaire types will value this brand enough to buy it....... You say small I'd say tiny and not sufficiently enough people to over come the cost of design, testing and manufacturing. Would I have the Ginetta instead of (say) an F40? Never. Would I have the Ginetta in addition to an F40? I would certainly consider it if the driving experience was good enough.
Where are Noble, Marcos and TVR or even the 2011 new Lotus Supercar. ....
In addition it is fsrking ugly and I can't see from what angle the designer(s) were looking at when they said 'we're done'
The Don of Croy said:
Engine machined out of a block (is that what billet means?) - why? Cheaper for small runs (like 20 per year) presumably. But if it were optimal would it be more prevalent? I know TVR made the flat plane 6 cylinder back in the day, but I also know a bloke who stripped one to service/repair and he was less than complimentary about the low volume nature of the thing.
Here's my old post from the previous thread on the car:Lewis Kingston said:
I mentioned this on Twitter as it piqued my curiosity – I had a nose around and, unsurprisingly, it appears to be an LS. Sure, it's billet and seemingly produced at Ginetta on a Haas CNC machine – but it's an LS.
This 'in-house' engine was used in the 2018 G58 prototype racer. Superseded... an LS3.
You can get billet heads and a billet block off the shelf, which could be a less costly option, but Ginetta has presumably tweaked the design to suit its particular application.
I would assume that the block has been redesigned to mate up with the company's transmission/engine mounting system, hence producing it from billet (which is also stronger) rather than hacking around an OEM block or similar. This 'in-house' engine was used in the 2018 G58 prototype racer. Superseded... an LS3.
You can get billet heads and a billet block off the shelf, which could be a less costly option, but Ginetta has presumably tweaked the design to suit its particular application.
Plus it's a bit more bespoke, even if the internals and core design aren't.
Stand to be corrected on any of the above, mind.
At any rate, it makes sense to use an existing design and I'm sure the company's done a lot of engineering of its own to produce something quite spectacular.
Not entirely convinced that it's quite what I'd want in a ~£400k bespoke car, that said. In an Ultima, sure...
Edited by Lewis Kingston on Thursday 28th February 17:42
sege said:
This is the world today.
Ginetta announce a serious new superdupercar and 99% of the reaction is if people like how it looks or not.
No comments on the fact that the engine is developed in house? wondering who they have partnered with?
No comments on the 375kg of downforce @ 100mpg and what cars that is comparable to?
No comments on it being N/A?
No comments on it eschewing electronic power steering?
No comments on the claim that you will be able to steer it on the throttle without electronic aids?
You're not car fans. You're a bunch of tarts.
Lets be honest with ourselves shall we, in 2019, not much of the actual engineering of a modern car really makes much difference. All modern cars are good, they are all fast, all handle well, and have decent features. Today, i'd suggest you buy a car you like the look of, because it will be made with all the same parts as the one you don't like the look of anyway for example:Ginetta announce a serious new superdupercar and 99% of the reaction is if people like how it looks or not.
No comments on the fact that the engine is developed in house? wondering who they have partnered with?
No comments on the 375kg of downforce @ 100mpg and what cars that is comparable to?
No comments on it being N/A?
No comments on it eschewing electronic power steering?
No comments on the claim that you will be able to steer it on the throttle without electronic aids?
You're not car fans. You're a bunch of tarts.
1) In-house engine - bad, you loose the effects of 100's of millions of £££ of production engineering and process development and sourcing control. A "crate" GM engine comes with a warranty, and is built on a line by a very precisely calibrated machine that is regularly checked and has a quality trail leading back to year zero. A Ginetta in-house engine is none of those things. If the shed door blew open when they were fitting your crank then though, you're engines full of dirt and the bearins could knock'em selves out in 10k miles. but you know, it's "bespoke" ain't it.....
2) 375kg of downforce. Again, lets be honest, unless you are actually racing, it's irrelevant. I'd far rather have a decent chassis that grips less and slides progessively than some monster downforce thing where a small bump, or 2 degrees of yaw or a mild crosswind sees you suddenly backwards in a hedge! And how long and how much money have genetta spent on the chassis dev and tuning? Rather less than someone like Mclaren spend on biscuits for their meetings i suspect......
3) N/A engine. Again, so what? it's 2019, there are good N/A engines and bad N/A engines, and good FI engines and bad FI engines. The aspiration method is, imo, irrelevant, and generally it's the setup crucially the calibration that make a great one....
4) EPAS. Who cares? see number 3) above!
5) Any modern car with 600bhp can be "steered on the throttle" with no driver aids. The days of people releasing cars with chassis so bad and so unstable the bloody thing is facing the other way around on it's own when you come back out of the pub are long gone. It's far, far harder to make a chassis that handles well and repeatibly under all conditions, be they the afformentioned pub car park or a lap of LeMans (and rides well, doesn't tramline or aquaplane, isn't sensitive to crosswinds, road cambers, has decent steering rate and weighting etc etc etc)
My assumption is that are using it as a Halo model to attract attention to the brand. I had a think what 400k would get me, an F12, Aventador SV, MSO 720, or a 911 GT3 RS and a house in Yorkshire (small one) to keep it at. They have 12 orders perhaps from people who intend to race it. As a road car it lacks the appeal of the other cars mentioned, you could buy a 488 an customise it if you want to stand out etc.
Still I wish them well but should my Euro millions ever come up this would not be on the list
Still I wish them well but should my Euro millions ever come up this would not be on the list
Re in-house engine, on reflection - as they don't and have never (to my knowledge) built their own, they won't be starting for this.
More likely a race engine, they re-engineer for the road. Which is still very cool if the case.
if a yank crate engine a la TVR - won't fly at that pricepoint.
More likely a race engine, they re-engineer for the road. Which is still very cool if the case.
if a yank crate engine a la TVR - won't fly at that pricepoint.
A good friend of mine in the motor industry who knows all about aerodynamics (no, no names, sorry ....) took one look at the picture, and fell about, laughing. I thought he was going to have a seizure.
Go on, then, Ginetta, tell us what the drag coefficient really is ? Or don't you have a clue ?
Go on, then, Ginetta, tell us what the drag coefficient really is ? Or don't you have a clue ?
Reminds me of the Lister Storm -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lister_Storm
It's fair attempt but its not the ugliest of cars that Ginetta have ever produced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lister_Storm
It's fair attempt but its not the ugliest of cars that Ginetta have ever produced.
Darkspeed said:
Reminds me of the Lister Storm -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lister_Storm
It's fair attempt but its not the ugliest of cars that Ginetta have ever produced.
Which is undeniably ugly... but... still very cool though. I'd have one! Just looked up used prices in fact...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lister_Storm
It's fair attempt but its not the ugliest of cars that Ginetta have ever produced.
Edit: £165k. oh well.....
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