RE: 200mph, 545hp per tonne Ginetta unveiled
Discussion
I've often wondered, when it comes to "challenging" car designs, whether the people launching it already knew it was a bit "alternative" or whether they are genuinely surprised by negative reaction.
Is it like "Gosh - I hadn't really thought of that before ?" or have they all been sitting in various design meetings, all holding doubts but no one has been willing to speak up and say "You know guys, I think we may have taken a bit of a wrong turn here..."
Is it like "Gosh - I hadn't really thought of that before ?" or have they all been sitting in various design meetings, all holding doubts but no one has been willing to speak up and say "You know guys, I think we may have taken a bit of a wrong turn here..."
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
I've often wondered, when it comes to "challenging" car designs, whether the people launching it already knew it was a bit "alternative" or whether they are genuinely surprised by negative reaction.
Is it like "Gosh - I hadn't really thought of that before ?" or have they all been sitting in various design meetings, all holding doubts but no one has been willing to speak up and say "You know guys, I think we may have taken a bit of a wrong turn here..."
I suspect it's sometimes a lack of experience and/or experienced people. You often find that companies that have come from a racing background (i.e. managed by engineers) don't understand the importance of aesthetics over function. A good car design has to be a compromise between engineering and design and knowing how to balance this takes a lot of experience, and some strong leadership. I suspect it's why McLaren have a long standing struggle with aesthetics. They are too heavily biased towards engineering and as such things like the Senna exist. Some senior people will have sat in a meeting and said....yes we could have that looking a bit nicer but we'll lose 2% of the aero efficiency and that's unacceptable. The reality is of course no one that owns the car would ever notice the 2% difference to the aero, but they will notice the goping hole in the side of it.Is it like "Gosh - I hadn't really thought of that before ?" or have they all been sitting in various design meetings, all holding doubts but no one has been willing to speak up and say "You know guys, I think we may have taken a bit of a wrong turn here..."
It's always a balancing act. If design had their way, the car would have no doors, 33in wheels and 8 exhausts that exit onto the windscreen and melt the wiper blades. But that's where the experience comes in. At the long established car companies, there's a good balance of leadership that knows how to balance the design/engineering and marketing requirements.
Well it looks like it means business with that much aero it must stick to the road, from the front it doesn't look the best but from the 3/4 it looks pretty good, as for the price I'd say it's about right for a small car maker whose basically building a road legal carbon monocoque race car. How much is the Brabham?
Cold said:
Now I have to say the side profile looks good.
I really like it! Maybe not in that colour, but I think it looks purposeful.
I, however, thought I was pushing the boat out by buying £500 of high mileage MGTF, so appreciate that my opinion is worth both halves of f
k all as far as the success of this goes. Really hope they do well though.
I, however, thought I was pushing the boat out by buying £500 of high mileage MGTF, so appreciate that my opinion is worth both halves of f
k all as far as the success of this goes. Really hope they do well though.RacerMike said:
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
I've often wondered, when it comes to "challenging" car designs, whether the people launching it already knew it was a bit "alternative" or whether they are genuinely surprised by negative reaction.
Is it like "Gosh - I hadn't really thought of that before ?" or have they all been sitting in various design meetings, all holding doubts but no one has been willing to speak up and say "You know guys, I think we may have taken a bit of a wrong turn here..."
I suspect it's sometimes a lack of experience and/or experienced people. You often find that companies that have come from a racing background (i.e. managed by engineers) don't understand the importance of aesthetics over function. A good car design has to be a compromise between engineering and design and knowing how to balance this takes a lot of experience, and some strong leadership. I suspect it's why McLaren have a long standing struggle with aesthetics. They are too heavily biased towards engineering and as such things like the Senna exist. Some senior people will have sat in a meeting and said....yes we could have that looking a bit nicer but we'll lose 2% of the aero efficiency and that's unacceptable. The reality is of course no one that owns the car would ever notice the 2% difference to the aero, but they will notice the goping hole in the side of .Is it like "Gosh - I hadn't really thought of that before ?" or have they all been sitting in various design meetings, all holding doubts but no one has been willing to speak up and say "You know guys, I think we may have taken a bit of a wrong turn here..."
Maldini35 said:
RacerMike said:
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
I've often wondered, when it comes to "challenging" car designs, whether the people launching it already knew it was a bit "alternative" or whether they are genuinely surprised by negative reaction.
Is it like "Gosh - I hadn't really thought of that before ?" or have they all been sitting in various design meetings, all holding doubts but no one has been willing to speak up and say "You know guys, I think we may have taken a bit of a wrong turn here..."
I suspect it's sometimes a lack of experience and/or experienced people. You often find that companies that have come from a racing background (i.e. managed by engineers) don't understand the importance of aesthetics over function. A good car design has to be a compromise between engineering and design and knowing how to balance this takes a lot of experience, and some strong leadership. I suspect it's why McLaren have a long standing struggle with aesthetics. They are too heavily biased towards engineering and as such things like the Senna exist. Some senior people will have sat in a meeting and said....yes we could have that looking a bit nicer but we'll lose 2% of the aero efficiency and that's unacceptable. The reality is of course no one that owns the car would ever notice the 2% difference to the aero, but they will notice the goping hole in the side of .Is it like "Gosh - I hadn't really thought of that before ?" or have they all been sitting in various design meetings, all holding doubts but no one has been willing to speak up and say "You know guys, I think we may have taken a bit of a wrong turn here..."
I really like the sound of the spec and engineering that's gone into it, I like the brand. But as others have already said, it's not pretty.
The thing I find most odd about it is that is looks like an extreme hyper car from the A pillar forward, and like a more regular sports coupe from that point back, albeit with a big wing bolted on.
I've no doubt it will be very aerodynamically functional and will perform great on track, but I really like the more traditional design of most previous Ginetta's so it's a shame it just couldn't look a bit more shapely.
The thing I find most odd about it is that is looks like an extreme hyper car from the A pillar forward, and like a more regular sports coupe from that point back, albeit with a big wing bolted on.
I've no doubt it will be very aerodynamically functional and will perform great on track, but I really like the more traditional design of most previous Ginetta's so it's a shame it just couldn't look a bit more shapely.
isaldiri said:
Maldini35 said:
Nice theory....but total BS
You 2 need to get a room, one inevitably has a pop at Mclaren and one very swiftly appears to defend Mclaren against anything 
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