RE: Next Porsche Macan to be electric only
Discussion
aeropilot said:
gizlaroc said:
If we start to look at your points....
1. I live in town, no on street charging, I can usually park right outside my property one evening every fortnight.
Well that is me out then, no point going through the rest.
1. I live in town, no on street charging, I can usually park right outside my property one evening every fortnight.
Well that is me out then, no point going through the rest.
RobDickinson said:
gizlaroc said:
We need to see kerbside parking in residential areas for this to truly work.
if you cant home charge then you should be able to fast charge whilst shopping or at work etc.
In the UK, parking at work is enough of a problem as it is, installing charging infrastructure at the vast majority of places is a long way off.
I dont get the EV's are rubbish and will never, they dont work for some scenarios thing.
Like DA said above, if it doesnt work for you, dont buy one !
If you dont like them, dont buy one !
But at least look at your situation and whether it would work first, then perhaps try one and see whether you like it.
I see some anti EV rhetoric on FB, usually off those who drive older diesels and have a classic car, they really seem to see it as a personal threat, the evil government after their money and trying to take their precious away. then they are citing utter b
ks about the environment, despite driving stuff that is about as bad as it gets.
They will work, because they are working, they will work for more people as the existing ones catch on, then, newer better ones will work for more people but some will still have ICE cars because that is what works for them.
We all evolve little routines to make our lives work, we adapt, I get petrol on the way to work at 7.30 am as the Tescos is quiet, I go to the gym on the way back from work as it means I dont need to make a separate trip as I am passing anyway, if I had an EV I would get into a little routine and know when I need to charge it, and where, probably at home every few days but I would make damn sure I know where the charging points are, I plan journies now, using Google Maps and Streetview. If say I was going to Bristol I would see where they are in Bristol and the service stations on the way, Would think I wont eat before leaving, will eat at whichever services whilst the car is charging.
A bit of thought and planning is what is needed, we all do it every day to minimise time and money wasted.
Like DA said above, if it doesnt work for you, dont buy one !
If you dont like them, dont buy one !
But at least look at your situation and whether it would work first, then perhaps try one and see whether you like it.
I see some anti EV rhetoric on FB, usually off those who drive older diesels and have a classic car, they really seem to see it as a personal threat, the evil government after their money and trying to take their precious away. then they are citing utter b
ks about the environment, despite driving stuff that is about as bad as it gets.They will work, because they are working, they will work for more people as the existing ones catch on, then, newer better ones will work for more people but some will still have ICE cars because that is what works for them.
We all evolve little routines to make our lives work, we adapt, I get petrol on the way to work at 7.30 am as the Tescos is quiet, I go to the gym on the way back from work as it means I dont need to make a separate trip as I am passing anyway, if I had an EV I would get into a little routine and know when I need to charge it, and where, probably at home every few days but I would make damn sure I know where the charging points are, I plan journies now, using Google Maps and Streetview. If say I was going to Bristol I would see where they are in Bristol and the service stations on the way, Would think I wont eat before leaving, will eat at whichever services whilst the car is charging.
A bit of thought and planning is what is needed, we all do it every day to minimise time and money wasted.
DonkeyApple said:
The average new car bought in the UK is under £20k. The most popular car, the Fiesta is £12k.
I would guess the average Macan has about £20k in optional extras added 
.Yes EVs are expensive, but so are Porsche's. Price of new EVs will get to the £20k mark but I doubt your ever be able to buy a new Porsche for £20k.
Like it or not EVs are coming
.gangzoom said:
DonkeyApple said:
The average new car bought in the UK is under £20k. The most popular car, the Fiesta is £12k.
I would guess the average Macan has about £20k in optional extras added .Yes EVs are expensive, but so are Porsche's. Price of new EVs will get to the £20k mark but I doubt your ever be able to buy a new Porsche for £20k.
Like it or not EVs are coming
.Where does that £20k figure come from out of interest. Googling for it implies the figure is over £30k:
http://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/average-new...
http://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/average-new...
article said:
Analysis conducted by the automotive data company shows that the average amount of money customers pay for a new car rose from £24,383 in February 2008 to £33,559 in February 2018.
The wording of that is a bit ambiguous, mind. J4CKO said:
I dont get the EV's are rubbish and will never, they dont work for some scenarios thing.
Like DA said above, if it doesnt work for you, dont buy one !
If you dont like them, dont buy one !
But at least look at your situation and whether it would work first, then perhaps try one and see whether you like it.
I see some anti EV rhetoric on FB, usually off those who drive older diesels and have a classic car, they really seem to see it as a personal threat, the evil government after their money and trying to take their precious away. then they are citing utter bks about the environment, despite driving stuff that is about as bad as it gets.
They will work, because they are working, they will work for more people as the existing ones catch on, then, newer better ones will work for more people but some will still have ICE cars because that is what works for them.
We all evolve little routines to make our lives work, we adapt, I get petrol on the way to work at 7.30 am as the Tescos is quiet, I go to the gym on the way back from work as it means I dont need to make a separate trip as I am passing anyway, if I had an EV I would get into a little routine and know when I need to charge it, and where, probably at home every few days but I would make damn sure I know where the charging points are, I plan journies now, using Google Maps and Streetview. If say I was going to Bristol I would see where they are in Bristol and the service stations on the way, Would think I wont eat before leaving, will eat at whichever services whilst the car is charging.
A bit of thought and planning is what is needed, we all do it every day to minimise time and money wasted.
It’s a bit more than thought and planning though. Like DA said above, if it doesnt work for you, dont buy one !
If you dont like them, dont buy one !
But at least look at your situation and whether it would work first, then perhaps try one and see whether you like it.
I see some anti EV rhetoric on FB, usually off those who drive older diesels and have a classic car, they really seem to see it as a personal threat, the evil government after their money and trying to take their precious away. then they are citing utter b
ks about the environment, despite driving stuff that is about as bad as it gets.They will work, because they are working, they will work for more people as the existing ones catch on, then, newer better ones will work for more people but some will still have ICE cars because that is what works for them.
We all evolve little routines to make our lives work, we adapt, I get petrol on the way to work at 7.30 am as the Tescos is quiet, I go to the gym on the way back from work as it means I dont need to make a separate trip as I am passing anyway, if I had an EV I would get into a little routine and know when I need to charge it, and where, probably at home every few days but I would make damn sure I know where the charging points are, I plan journies now, using Google Maps and Streetview. If say I was going to Bristol I would see where they are in Bristol and the service stations on the way, Would think I wont eat before leaving, will eat at whichever services whilst the car is charging.
A bit of thought and planning is what is needed, we all do it every day to minimise time and money wasted.
The infrastructure isn’t sufficient at the moment to make it mass market acceptable. If it was, I’ll happily jump on board. The EV market and % of overall spaces with points is tiny. If it suddenly starts to grow quickly, who stumps up the cost? I’m sure the investment payback on public charging points is long hence the current volume is tiny.
But who pays for it? Are we expecting Tesco and Sainsbury’s (more likely Waitrose) and the like to stump up the investment? Unlikely in the short term I would think.
Some of the arguments on here are borderline fantasy.
As an analogy.....very few people would buy a smartphone until the mobile network is in place and it’ll be the same with EVs. A proper charging network is many years away....hell in this country we can’t even afford to surface the roads never mind electrify parking spaces.
In the UK at least, it might work for a select few (all on PH it seems in Surrey with large driveways) but for the majority of the public it will remain a very niche market for years to come and you would have to be delusional to think differently.
DonkeyApple said:
Sorry but I’m missing your point?
And what is yours?? Porsche should sell the EV Macan for £20K, so about £30K cheaper than the combustion car version??If you want a cheap car buy a Dacia, or even better get a pedal bike - which incidentally is a great way to commute
The migration to EV is going to happen, whether people like it or not.
I think that if I were living in the kind of house owned by the kind of people who buy new cars, and it didn't have any conceivable way of charging an EV, I'd be looking to swap it for one which does before it becomes something which significantly impacts value.
I wouldn't bank on the authorities losing much sleep over the thought that the shift to electric might mean fewer cars can be kept in central London...
I think that if I were living in the kind of house owned by the kind of people who buy new cars, and it didn't have any conceivable way of charging an EV, I'd be looking to swap it for one which does before it becomes something which significantly impacts value.
I wouldn't bank on the authorities losing much sleep over the thought that the shift to electric might mean fewer cars can be kept in central London...
gangzoom said:
DonkeyApple said:
Sorry but I’m missing your point?
And what is yours?? Porsche should sell the EV Macan for £20K, so about £30K cheaper than the combustion car version??If you want a cheap car buy a Dacia, or even better get a pedal bike - which incidentally is a great way to commute
Dave Hedgehog said:
They where discussing the UKs elec consumption I was very surprised that nearly 30% of the UKs elec now comes from renewables (2017 data) and how much less we are using generally due to technology improvements
Don't be bamboozled into thinking the term "renewables" means things like wind-turbines, solar, and "good for the environment". Burning entire forests of trees makes up the majority. Renewable? Theoretically yes, eventually. But not at the rate at which they are being burnt.https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017...
anonymous said:
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But it already exists. Just call up a company and they'll come in and fit you charging point to your house/garage. First hit on google (no affiliation to me and i'm sure there are others around)
https://pod-point.com/products/homecharge
kambites said:
aeropilot said:
gizlaroc said:
If we start to look at your points....
1. I live in town, no on street charging, I can usually park right outside my property one evening every fortnight.
Well that is me out then, no point going through the rest.
1. I live in town, no on street charging, I can usually park right outside my property one evening every fortnight.
Well that is me out then, no point going through the rest.
I was hoping my next car would be a Macan, but if it is going to be EV only I won't be able to.
I will do 800 miles this week, and EV makes incredible sense for me as the range gets big enough, I can't wait for the infrastructure to get to the point where I can buy one.
But here by 2021?
I would bet my house it is not.
There are currently just over 1100 all electric cars for sale on auto trader in the UK, from a total of 400K+ cars, about the same number of Bentleys or around 70% of the number of Ferraris.
EV isn't going to appear overnight, it'll be slow and steady, the infrastructure isn't an issue (in terms of power availability), the ability to charge at home / overnight is the first key point followed by helping those in rural communities have access to EV's (just look a ta supercharger map of Wales).
i think it is a great idea for cities, but realistically out in the countryside it'll be decades before it catches on.
Macan EV would be perfect for me, but i can' afford it, looking forward to the little Honda next year! V8 for the weekends.
EV isn't going to appear overnight, it'll be slow and steady, the infrastructure isn't an issue (in terms of power availability), the ability to charge at home / overnight is the first key point followed by helping those in rural communities have access to EV's (just look a ta supercharger map of Wales).
i think it is a great idea for cities, but realistically out in the countryside it'll be decades before it catches on.
Macan EV would be perfect for me, but i can' afford it, looking forward to the little Honda next year! V8 for the weekends.
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