RE: Next Porsche Macan to be electric only
Discussion
Lord.Vader said:
i think it is a great idea for cities, but realistically out in the countryside it'll be decades before it catches on.
Depends, there are some places in Scotland where not having to drive 25 miles to the nearest filling station could be a big advantage. People in the countryside are more likely to have off road parking - I think the vast majority of users will use public charge points only rarely.cybersimon said:
Today SEAT are teasing a new All Electric SUV, my betting being this is the same car.
So SEAT can sort any bugs and establish the level of demand for Porsche to move into the upper end of this particular niche
Your betting is wrong, the new SEAT is built on the MEB platform, as mentioned in the article the Macan will be built on the Premium Platform Electric which will only be used for luxury models.So SEAT can sort any bugs and establish the level of demand for Porsche to move into the upper end of this particular niche
anonymous said:
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The important fact that is oft missed is that EVs are intrinsically bi-directional. Not only can they regenerate and return energy to the battery when they are slowing down, they can also export energy to the grid in the same manner they can import it. Therefore the grid only has to supply the average load. So for example, you need to drive to Devon tomorrow, and need 100kWH of electricity to charge your flat battery tonight, well, no problem because the other 10 people in your street aren't driving to Devon tomorrow and hence only need 10kWH each, and therefore you can just buy some of the electricity already stored in their cars! Vehicle To Grid (V2G) systems are already active and working and the way they work is being developed today. Already my i3 knows where it is going tomorrow (as destinations are preprogrammed, from my smart phone if i don't remember to do it before i get out the car or my plans change) so it could be easily programmed to make the energy i don't need tomorrow available to the gird for those that do. Add in the massive load leveling capability and ability to store daytime solar, and EVs are enablers rather than any kind of penalty on the grid and our energy futures!My 4 year old i3 has the smallest battery, a tiny tiny 22 kWh and yet with my 32 mile daily commute (actually around 10 miles longer than the average uk commute!) i could actually have 10 or more kWh available to run my house over night. And today, most EVs are hitting the streets with batterys 3 times that size and constantly increasing in size! So trust me when i say the Future is a Future of Possibilities and not one of Negativity :-)
I already have one thing in the house that I need to tell the day before where I am going the next day. The idea of my car becoming like my wife other than the huge expense is not appealing. 
But as you say, down the line, our large EV batteries will be linked to our home power requirements which in turn will be linked to a wider network along with apps and enable us to be far more energy efficient that we currently can be.
The only downside is every Yorkshireman and Scotsman wanting to plug his car in to your power supply so he can go and run his house for free.
The big positive about petrol is that tight b
ds don’t turn up at your house trying to fleece a free tank of fuel. It’s bad enough fending off minicab drivers from the heating oil tank but EVs are going to release a legion of tightwads knocking on your door, plug in hand and asking for smack.
But as you say, down the line, our large EV batteries will be linked to our home power requirements which in turn will be linked to a wider network along with apps and enable us to be far more energy efficient that we currently can be.
The only downside is every Yorkshireman and Scotsman wanting to plug his car in to your power supply so he can go and run his house for free.
The big positive about petrol is that tight b
ds don’t turn up at your house trying to fleece a free tank of fuel. It’s bad enough fending off minicab drivers from the heating oil tank but EVs are going to release a legion of tightwads knocking on your door, plug in hand and asking for smack. In reality for grid attache cars you will just get cheaper electricity if they can use 20% of your battery most of the time.
Current new Evs are coming out with 400-500mm/300mile range which is over the weekly average (215mile) of UK drivers.
Yes there are people who it wont suit for now, but for most it will, especially people who will spend £60-100k on a car like this Porsche.
As for charging infrastructure, Norway seems to be doing fine and 50% of their new cars are now EV.
Current new Evs are coming out with 400-500mm/300mile range which is over the weekly average (215mile) of UK drivers.
Yes there are people who it wont suit for now, but for most it will, especially people who will spend £60-100k on a car like this Porsche.
As for charging infrastructure, Norway seems to be doing fine and 50% of their new cars are now EV.
RobDickinson said:
As for charging infrastructure, Norway seems to be doing fine and 50% of their new cars are now EV.
Yeah they are, but 63% also own an ICE car too, that says quite a lot. You keep saying that, yet the few people I know who own a Porsche SUV, or have done, has no designated parking, that's not quite right, one of them has underground parking, not sure if it has charge points in it, and the other one has a house with a drive?
But most are in town.
I think Porsche may have underestimated the amount of potential customers who just can't own an EV.
Where do you live, perhaps it is just we see things differently because of our own circumstances?
RobDickinson said:
Oh I live in paradise, most people have off street parking.
I grew up though in a rough area of Liverpool with heaps of terrace housing, that will be much harder to electrify. But no worse than installing fiber or whatever.
I agree, but by 2021? I grew up though in a rough area of Liverpool with heaps of terrace housing, that will be much harder to electrify. But no worse than installing fiber or whatever.
We need to see a proper roll out in residential areas happen quicker than manufacturers drop ICE from their best selling product.
gizlaroc said:
I agree, but by 2021?
We need to see a proper roll out in residential areas happen quicker than manufacturers drop ICE from their best selling product.
Who says it (all)needs to be done by 2021? People in 2 up 2 down terrace housing are unlikely to be buying brand new EV Porsche Macans.We need to see a proper roll out in residential areas happen quicker than manufacturers drop ICE from their best selling product.
i had a meeting with a person quite high up in BP and I got a little off subject towards the end and was asking about electric vehicles and from what he said I haven’t been left with a lot of confidence about the future of electric cars,
The key isn’t the technology of the cars but rather the infrastructure to support and charge them and also sourcing electricity from non fossil fuel burning plants.
The key isn’t the technology of the cars but rather the infrastructure to support and charge them and also sourcing electricity from non fossil fuel burning plants.
RobDickinson said:
Who says it (all)needs to be done by 2021? People in 2 up 2 down terrace housing are unlikely to be buying brand new EV Porsche Macans.
I bet as many Porsche Macan owners live in town with no designated parking than live out in the sticks with a drive, in the UK at least. gizlaroc said:
RobDickinson said:
Who says it (all)needs to be done by 2021? People in 2 up 2 down terrace housing are unlikely to be buying brand new EV Porsche Macans.
I bet as many Porsche Macan owners live in town with no designated parking than live out in the sticks with a drive, in the UK at least. gizlaroc said:
I agree, but by 2021?
We need to see a proper roll out in residential areas happen quicker than manufacturers drop ICE from their best selling product.
It’s only a big problem if everyone who does not own a driveway is forced to suddenly buy a Porsche Macan. We need to see a proper roll out in residential areas happen quicker than manufacturers drop ICE from their best selling product.
In reality, I suspect that people with a driveway and the money to buy a Porsche Macan, plus the desire to own a Porsche and to own an EV will buy one whereas 70m other UK residents will opt not to. But we do have to accept that there is a risk that a massive tard will suddenly inherit £70k and go and buy a Macan before realising that they live at the top of a tower block that has no parking, then goes onto Twitter to talk about the total injustice and to ask what the Govt is doing about this devastating social problem.
Lord.Vader said:
There are currently just over 1100 all electric cars for sale on auto trader in the UK, from a total of 400K+ cars, about the same number of Bentleys or around 70% of the number of Ferraris.
And interestingly there are 490 Macans for sale. Gives an indication of the risk Porsche are taking....GTEYE said:
And interestingly there are 490 Macans for sale. Gives an indication of the risk Porsche are taking....
There’s no doubt it is a risk but something to consider is that Porsche know the usage data of every single Macan ever built. They know where every owner lives, they know where they work, how much they earn, they know how much they drive. What VW knows is exactly how many current Macan owners could switch to a pure EV Macan. They also know that Porsche are desirable status symbols and that currently so are EVs. VW will have done the all the maths before making an extremely calculated decision. My guess is that they have a piece of paper that shows that there is more profit from doing this than not.
Wills2 said:
Thanks for that - so in fact, *both* statements are true: the next generation Macan will indeedbe "electric only", but they are hedging their bets by continuing to sell the current (petrol) iteration
of the Macan alongside it for a few years.
Having their cake and eating it, I suppose!!
Out of curiosity, has this ever happened before - two generations of the same car on sale at the
same time for more than a year or so? I know that Mini usually take a while to change over all
their models, but it looks like this will be more open ended than that.
MARK
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