RE: Tesla to close showrooms in favour of web

RE: Tesla to close showrooms in favour of web

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Julian Thompson

2,549 posts

239 months

Monday 4th March 2019
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A question for the guys who own and run a Tesla.

When you purchased the car, did economy factor in the purchase? Or was it just a fun toy that had a bit of man maths/environmental stuff about it?

If economy did factor, how does the recent price cut eat in to those savings you predicted? Or are you on a fixed price pcp style arrangement whereby you’re protected?

And if you’re looking at a Tesla, would this event make you think twice about buying one in the manner you had considered?

chris4652009

1,572 posts

85 months

Monday 4th March 2019
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RobDickinson said:
doomed , they are doooomed!!!!!

( 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018,2019....)
lol yep. Good ole PH

ChocolateFrog

25,539 posts

174 months

Monday 4th March 2019
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Just read that Tesla have knocked 50k off the most expensive P100D.

Not sure if true but if it is their profit margins can't be too bad.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Monday 4th March 2019
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ChocolateFrog said:
Just read that Tesla have knocked 50k off the most expensive P100D.

Not sure if true but if it is their profit margins can't be too bad.
They don't sell many p100d, if they boost salad of that model over the standard 100d and make more it'll work out well.

It does cost more to produce but how much more we don't know

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Monday 4th March 2019
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chris4652009 said:
lol yep. Good ole PH
Not just PH, there's an entire very large but still stupid crowd out there in tslaq land.

skwdenyer

16,552 posts

241 months

Tuesday 5th March 2019
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RobDickinson said:
chris4652009 said:
lol yep. Good ole PH
Not just PH, there's an entire very large but still stupid crowd out there in tslaq land.


scratchchin

No idea who's right, but context is sometimes helpful.

skwdenyer

16,552 posts

241 months

Tuesday 5th March 2019
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It also goes without saying that even if the Model Y reveal only brings in 100k deposits at $1k a pop, that's $100m which is not pocket change...

TVR1

5,463 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th March 2019
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Glasgowrob said:
still dont understand why anyone dropping 80-100k on a car would not be visiting a dealer at least to look at a car first,

sure you might order online but you wont do it blind, you'd still be in a dealer first for a look
When you can offset the full purchase cost against your tax bill in the first 12 months.....

Who gives a flying fcuck if you can’t drive it first.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Tuesday 5th March 2019
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If you really hate it just send it back, 7 days 1000 miles no problem.

OK it's not perfect you'll have to wait, might have finance etc but still.

Baldchap

7,696 posts

93 months

Tuesday 5th March 2019
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Julian Thompson said:
A question for the guys who own and run a Tesla.

When you purchased the car, did economy factor in the purchase? Or was it just a fun toy that had a bit of man maths/environmental stuff about it?

If economy did factor, how does the recent price cut eat in to those savings you predicted? Or are you on a fixed price pcp style arrangement whereby you’re protected?

And if you’re looking at a Tesla, would this event make you think twice about buying one in the manner you had considered?
Economy didn't factor for us.

We wanted to PCP simply so we didn't have to own it (didn't want a £150k Betamax etc) but the finance company were rude and useless, so in the end we paid for it in full. We worked out as long as it is worth £20k at 3 years old we'll come out better off than PCP. Even with the price drop, I'm sure it'll fetch 20% of it's (post price drop) cost at 3 years with very low miles.

Baldchap

7,696 posts

93 months

Tuesday 5th March 2019
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coyft said:
cptsideways said:
coyft said:
I wonder how close Tesla are to regulatory approval of a fully autonomous vehicle?
Far nearer than just about anybody else that is for sure, they have gleaned a LOT of real road user data.
First to market will have massive opportunities. They just need to survive until then!
Truthfully I'm not convinced it's any more advanced than the assists on the Golf. Adaptive cruise and lane assist is essentially all the Tesla is doing, which has been standard on the Golf since the 7 was launched in 2013. The Golf knows to accelerate when I signal to move right, not to undertake and has far better understanding of where lanes are than the X does. I also trust that VW have not rushed it to market like Tesla seems to with new features...

Also, I know it isn't self drive, the auto lights and wipers are significantly worse on our X than on our Golf! It doesn't have a windscreen rain sensor, instead using other ones to 'work out' whether it will need to wipe the screen. It doesn't work. It's crap.

skwdenyer

16,552 posts

241 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Baldchap said:
coyft said:
cptsideways said:
coyft said:
I wonder how close Tesla are to regulatory approval of a fully autonomous vehicle?
Far nearer than just about anybody else that is for sure, they have gleaned a LOT of real road user data.
First to market will have massive opportunities. They just need to survive until then!
Truthfully I'm not convinced it's any more advanced than the assists on the Golf. Adaptive cruise and lane assist is essentially all the Tesla is doing, which has been standard on the Golf since the 7 was launched in 2013. The Golf knows to accelerate when I signal to move right, not to undertake and has far better understanding of where lanes are than the X does. I also trust that VW have not rushed it to market like Tesla seems to with new features...

Also, I know it isn't self drive, the auto lights and wipers are significantly worse on our X than on our Golf! It doesn't have a windscreen rain sensor, instead using other ones to 'work out' whether it will need to wipe the screen. It doesn't work. It's crap.
Assuming the auto wipers and auto lights on the Golf are broadly the same as on the family 2016 Alhambra, they must be pretty dire on the X - the Seat's are all over the place. I just turn off the auto lights when I'm in the car as they're downright dangerous on country roads, dipping in response to scenery, puddles, road signs and all manner of other rubbish.

Doofus

25,857 posts

174 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Baldchap said:
Truthfully I'm not convinced it's any more advanced than the assists on the Golf. Adaptive cruise and lane assist is essentially all the Tesla is doing, which has been standard on the Golf since the 7 was launched in 2013. The Golf knows to accelerate when I signal to move right, not to undertake and has far better understanding of where lanes are than the X does. I also trust that VW have not rushed it to market like Tesla seems to with new features...

Also, I know it isn't self drive, the auto lights and wipers are significantly worse on our X than on our Golf! It doesn't have a windscreen rain sensor, instead using other ones to 'work out' whether it will need to wipe the screen. It doesn't work. It's crap.
The Golf didn't have lane assist as standard in 2013.

havoc

30,106 posts

236 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Baldchap said:
We worked out as long as it is worth £20k at 3 years old we'll come out better off than PCP. Even with the price drop, I'm sure it'll fetch 20% of it's (post price drop) cost at 3 years with very low miles.
Can I ask a couple of questions:-
- How many miles do you do a year?
- What competitors were you benchmarking against for cost (fuel / depreciation / etc.)?

MikeGoodwin

3,345 posts

118 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Love a good Tesla thread.

Baldchap

7,696 posts

93 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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skwdenyer said:
Baldchap said:
coyft said:
cptsideways said:
coyft said:
I wonder how close Tesla are to regulatory approval of a fully autonomous vehicle?
Far nearer than just about anybody else that is for sure, they have gleaned a LOT of real road user data.
First to market will have massive opportunities. They just need to survive until then!
Truthfully I'm not convinced it's any more advanced than the assists on the Golf. Adaptive cruise and lane assist is essentially all the Tesla is doing, which has been standard on the Golf since the 7 was launched in 2013. The Golf knows to accelerate when I signal to move right, not to undertake and has far better understanding of where lanes are than the X does. I also trust that VW have not rushed it to market like Tesla seems to with new features...

Also, I know it isn't self drive, the auto lights and wipers are significantly worse on our X than on our Golf! It doesn't have a windscreen rain sensor, instead using other ones to 'work out' whether it will need to wipe the screen. It doesn't work. It's crap.
Assuming the auto wipers and auto lights on the Golf are broadly the same as on the family 2016 Alhambra, they must be pretty dire on the X - the Seat's are all over the place. I just turn off the auto lights when I'm in the car as they're downright dangerous on country roads, dipping in response to scenery, puddles, road signs and all manner of other rubbish.
Can only assume they're not the same. They were excellent on my Mk7 and are even better on my 7.5.

Baldchap

7,696 posts

93 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Doofus said:
Baldchap said:
Truthfully I'm not convinced it's any more advanced than the assists on the Golf. Adaptive cruise and lane assist is essentially all the Tesla is doing, which has been standard on the Golf since the 7 was launched in 2013. The Golf knows to accelerate when I signal to move right, not to undertake and has far better understanding of where lanes are than the X does. I also trust that VW have not rushed it to market like Tesla seems to with new features...

Also, I know it isn't self drive, the auto lights and wipers are significantly worse on our X than on our Golf! It doesn't have a windscreen rain sensor, instead using other ones to 'work out' whether it will need to wipe the screen. It doesn't work. It's crap.
The Golf didn't have lane assist as standard in 2013.
It was certainly an option.

Point being it existed and worked well.

Baldchap

7,696 posts

93 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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havoc said:
Baldchap said:
We worked out as long as it is worth £20k at 3 years old we'll come out better off than PCP. Even with the price drop, I'm sure it'll fetch 20% of it's (post price drop) cost at 3 years with very low miles.
Can I ask a couple of questions:-
- How many miles do you do a year?
- What competitors were you benchmarking against for cost (fuel / depreciation / etc.)?
Bugger all mileage. About 6k in the Tesla.

Not benchmarking at all. We wanted a Model X.

Baldchap

7,696 posts

93 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Got to admit, despite the failings, more companies need to do fun stuff like this...

https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-tesla-new-east...

havoc

30,106 posts

236 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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Baldchap said:
Not benchmarking at all. We wanted a Model X.
Interesting.

So despite not being the right user-profile* to make sense of a high purchase price EV, you bought one anyway. Fair enough...but that does rather limit your credibility when touting Tesla's credentials...

...as very few people in the world can afford to dump a load of additional cash on a car JUST because it's an EV.

By a more balanced measure, a Panamera Sport Tourismo or an E63 wagon would have made equally-practical, equally-quick (broad range of measures, not 0-60) steeds with far better PQ, more kit and better residuals, while at 6k miles a year the running costs difference would have been negligible (<£1k a year of fuel against >£15k a year depreciation)




* High-mileage with few journeys >50% typical range, where fuel saving offsets purchase price.