RE: Volvo to fit all cars with 112mph speed limiter
Discussion
deckster said:
nurseholliday said:
Bulls
t again buddy.
Bavaria is home to the fast autobahn driver, I sat behind a Cayenne clearing the path speeding up and slowing down between 120-150 for a good 60 minutes on my journey to Southern Italy.
I used to drive the entire length of the M6 toll road at the 130 aerodynamic limit on my Mini One (apart from the toll booth obviously), and in my dad's 996 I sat at 165 for multiple journeys.
A supercharged MX5 takes more than a few seconds just to get to 145mph from 120mph so I must have been doing over 120mph for more than seconds just to get to 145mph and then hold it for miles on end, the M4 flies by so much quicker >120mph. You have to get past the disgusting section between London and Reading first and then it really opens up. Keep your headlights on and it's surprising how many people see you coming well in advance and move over.
On the way back from Scottish Borders in the middle of the night in my new (to me) E34 5 series I sat an indicated 140 for about 45mins. It helped that the M1 was absolutely empty and me and another BMW, a 130 were either spread across 2 lanes or behind each other for the most of it.
There's plenty of people out there doing that sort of speed on UK motorways day in and day out, just because you don't, doesn't mean nobody does.
This entire post is the single best advertisement I've seen for limiting cars to 70mph. Good on you buddy, you're either a total fantasist or a bloody liability.t again buddy.Bavaria is home to the fast autobahn driver, I sat behind a Cayenne clearing the path speeding up and slowing down between 120-150 for a good 60 minutes on my journey to Southern Italy.
I used to drive the entire length of the M6 toll road at the 130 aerodynamic limit on my Mini One (apart from the toll booth obviously), and in my dad's 996 I sat at 165 for multiple journeys.
A supercharged MX5 takes more than a few seconds just to get to 145mph from 120mph so I must have been doing over 120mph for more than seconds just to get to 145mph and then hold it for miles on end, the M4 flies by so much quicker >120mph. You have to get past the disgusting section between London and Reading first and then it really opens up. Keep your headlights on and it's surprising how many people see you coming well in advance and move over.
On the way back from Scottish Borders in the middle of the night in my new (to me) E34 5 series I sat an indicated 140 for about 45mins. It helped that the M1 was absolutely empty and me and another BMW, a 130 were either spread across 2 lanes or behind each other for the most of it.
There's plenty of people out there doing that sort of speed on UK motorways day in and day out, just because you don't, doesn't mean nobody does.
t take yourself off to a trackday and don't inflict your amateur driving skills on the general population. People really properly speeding are probably going to ruin it for the rest of us. Ironically the reason we have motorway speed limits is because people couldn't resist driving at stupid speeds or refusing to slow down when there was poor visibility.
I have a car on which you can pay £2k or so to have the limiter changed from 155 to ? 175. I wonder what the rationale is for setting limiters at 155 and then offering to raise them. I didn't even contemplate having it raised - for me 155 is enough even for a German trip and much higher than I'd expect to see on a track day. Actually I think you can get it raised by a code change much more cheaply).
warch said:
deckster said:
nurseholliday said:
Bullst again buddy.
Bavaria is home to the fast autobahn driver, I sat behind a Cayenne clearing the path speeding up and slowing down between 120-150 for a good 60 minutes on my journey to Southern Italy.
I used to drive the entire length of the M6 toll road at the 130 aerodynamic limit on my Mini One (apart from the toll booth obviously), and in my dad's 996 I sat at 165 for multiple journeys.
A supercharged MX5 takes more than a few seconds just to get to 145mph from 120mph so I must have been doing over 120mph for more than seconds just to get to 145mph and then hold it for miles on end, the M4 flies by so much quicker >120mph. You have to get past the disgusting section between London and Reading first and then it really opens up. Keep your headlights on and it's surprising how many people see you coming well in advance and move over.
On the way back from Scottish Borders in the middle of the night in my new (to me) E34 5 series I sat an indicated 140 for about 45mins. It helped that the M1 was absolutely empty and me and another BMW, a 130 were either spread across 2 lanes or behind each other for the most of it.
There's plenty of people out there doing that sort of speed on UK motorways day in and day out, just because you don't, doesn't mean nobody does.
This entire post is the single best advertisement I've seen for limiting cars to 70mph. Good on you buddy, you're either a total fantasist or a bloody liability.t again buddy.Bavaria is home to the fast autobahn driver, I sat behind a Cayenne clearing the path speeding up and slowing down between 120-150 for a good 60 minutes on my journey to Southern Italy.
I used to drive the entire length of the M6 toll road at the 130 aerodynamic limit on my Mini One (apart from the toll booth obviously), and in my dad's 996 I sat at 165 for multiple journeys.
A supercharged MX5 takes more than a few seconds just to get to 145mph from 120mph so I must have been doing over 120mph for more than seconds just to get to 145mph and then hold it for miles on end, the M4 flies by so much quicker >120mph. You have to get past the disgusting section between London and Reading first and then it really opens up. Keep your headlights on and it's surprising how many people see you coming well in advance and move over.
On the way back from Scottish Borders in the middle of the night in my new (to me) E34 5 series I sat an indicated 140 for about 45mins. It helped that the M1 was absolutely empty and me and another BMW, a 130 were either spread across 2 lanes or behind each other for the most of it.
There's plenty of people out there doing that sort of speed on UK motorways day in and day out, just because you don't, doesn't mean nobody does.
t take yourself off to a trackday and don't inflict your amateur driving skills on the general population. People really properly speeding are probably going to ruin it for the rest of us. Ironically the reason we have motorway speed limits is because people couldn't resist driving at stupid speeds or refusing to slow down when there was poor visibility.
Much as years ago getting caught drink driving was seen as "unlucky" in the 60s 70s. Getting caught speeding "was in the 90s 00s" considered unluckly to get caught as well but now carries a higher social stigmatism to it.
(I am not saying speeding is equally as dangerous as drink driving I am just comparing the changing social opinions to each)
slipstream 1985 said:
Safe enough on a dry clear night in a decent car to cruise at 130 on those border bits of the m74 3 lanes very few junctions or traffic. Time and a place however seeing as speed rapes children and causes murders it has now become the socially unacceptable norm.
Aside from the bizarre second part of your post, speed of 130ish on a clear night with no traffic got a fellow PHer 2 years off driving, a fine & an extended driving test - and it was on your side of the border. Safe as it was, it still had consequences. Maybe let us know how it works out for you if & when you get nabbed. I don't think you should ask the bobbies if they've solved all the raping & murders. Just saying.slipstream 1985 said:
Safe enough on a dry clear night in a decent car to cruise at 130 on those border bits of the m74 3 lanes very few junctions or traffic. Time and a place however seeing as speed rapes children and causes murders it has now become the socially unacceptable norm.
Much as years ago getting caught drink driving was seen as "unlucky" in the 60s 70s. Getting caught speeding "was in the 90s 00s" considered unluckly to get caught as well but now carries a higher social stigmatism to it.
(I am not saying speeding is equally as dangerous as drink driving I am just comparing the changing social opinions to each)
All true but just because you can do it safely doesn’t mean you should. Dibble, and the court system here in Scotland, do not take kindly to speeds of 130mph plus. I should know. I’m the dude that got caught, fined, banned and had to do the test stuff all again Much as years ago getting caught drink driving was seen as "unlucky" in the 60s 70s. Getting caught speeding "was in the 90s 00s" considered unluckly to get caught as well but now carries a higher social stigmatism to it.
(I am not saying speeding is equally as dangerous as drink driving I am just comparing the changing social opinions to each)
Edited by st4 on Friday 8th March 23:21
I've always perceived Volvo as a boring car manufacturer and it seems that they are just living up to my perception. I still struggle with the fact that they ask £50k plus for a XC90 with a 4 cylinder diesel engine...and I'd be over the moon if I could even reach 112mph in one of those! 
Many seem to be talking of 120mph, yet the limit Volvo is imposing is 112...semantics maybe
I think the reason so many are opposed is that it seems a regressive step. There was a time when going faster was viewed as a positive aspiration in society, be it on road or in the air. Now other considerations come into play like the ecological impact. Leaving that to one side, cars are now much safer than they were just a few years ago. It seems a shame motorway limits aren't higher to take that into account.
The Volvo move seems to remove personal choice, and that is something many baulk at, regardless of what prevailing legal limits are. It suggests nanny state, and being British that is something we are very suspicious of, even though we are a law abiding lot in general. It should also not be lost on anyone that Volvo is a Chinese company; a nation where control and personal monitoring is a part of daily life. Forget the speed limit, it's the fact that the car probably also monitors where I go that is of a greater concern. Due a BMW or Alfa is no different, but they aren't owned by the Chinese.....
I think the reason so many are opposed is that it seems a regressive step. There was a time when going faster was viewed as a positive aspiration in society, be it on road or in the air. Now other considerations come into play like the ecological impact. Leaving that to one side, cars are now much safer than they were just a few years ago. It seems a shame motorway limits aren't higher to take that into account.
The Volvo move seems to remove personal choice, and that is something many baulk at, regardless of what prevailing legal limits are. It suggests nanny state, and being British that is something we are very suspicious of, even though we are a law abiding lot in general. It should also not be lost on anyone that Volvo is a Chinese company; a nation where control and personal monitoring is a part of daily life. Forget the speed limit, it's the fact that the car probably also monitors where I go that is of a greater concern. Due a BMW or Alfa is no different, but they aren't owned by the Chinese.....
I don’t see the fuss, you don’t need a car that does more than 112, the only times I’ve done over 100mph are when you get a new car and the whole time you’re doing it you’re thinking oh god is that a unmarked police car or a speed camera on the bridge up ahead?
Speed over 100mph or even 90mph just becomes willy waving. Like men who have a watch that could be taken down to 100 meters under water but they take it off before they even get in the bath.
I’m sure it will extend to other cars soon enough, but on the roads there’s no need to go over 100, or even 85, you might save the time on the motorways but you’ll soon end up in a congested part of town, or average speed camera zone and that will be all your made up time gone.
volvos aren’t for driving quickly anyway. They are for sitting in great comfort and whafting along with a wardrobe in the boot.
Speed over 100mph or even 90mph just becomes willy waving. Like men who have a watch that could be taken down to 100 meters under water but they take it off before they even get in the bath.
I’m sure it will extend to other cars soon enough, but on the roads there’s no need to go over 100, or even 85, you might save the time on the motorways but you’ll soon end up in a congested part of town, or average speed camera zone and that will be all your made up time gone.
volvos aren’t for driving quickly anyway. They are for sitting in great comfort and whafting along with a wardrobe in the boot.
Nickbrapp said:
volvos aren’t for driving quickly anyway. They are for sitting in great comfort and whafting along with a wardrobe in the boot.
They are very comfortable. My old S80 was way more comfortable and fit for its task than my E Class and had better seat comfort than my W221 S. Yes the E was faster (and the S oddly faster again), and sharper through the bends but the Volvo was just so fit for purpose in a way the neither Merc wasn't quite. The seat comfort, interior layout, motorway manners etc were top drawer. In terms of VFM and being fit for purpose bar the Lexus it was easily the best car I've had and a fantastic way to cover distance in comfort. Nickbrapp said:
...you’ll soon end up in a congested part of town, or average speed camera zone and that will be all your made up time gone.
Where does it go? 
Nickbrapp said:
...volvos aren’t for driving quickly anyway. They are for sitting in great comfort and whafting along with a wardrobe in the boot.
Oh no, I didn't notice, what car should I have bought for quickly and comfortably crossing chunks of the continent with a family of 5? A Lotus Elise? Bedford Rascal?Hurdy gurdy
Only the swedes could do that
What a waste of time.
I don’t know why were all worrying because in a few years we’ll have a man walking in front of the cars waving a red flag because we can’t hear them
That’s progress eh buy your horse and cart soon as you can 😂😂
Only the swedes could do that
What a waste of time.
I don’t know why were all worrying because in a few years we’ll have a man walking in front of the cars waving a red flag because we can’t hear them
That’s progress eh buy your horse and cart soon as you can 😂😂
jussojones said:
That’s progress eh buy your horse and cart soon as you can ????
Horses? Far far too dangerous. Think of all the fatalities if we switched back to horses for transport from people falling or being kicked. Injury rates from horse riding are as high as 21% of young riders per year. There'd be carnage on the bridleways.Nope, the only answer is walking. A gentle jog will be permitted only on clearly marked jogging routes. If it saves just one life...
Speaking today to a friend of mine - Swedish engineer in the automotive industry - and his inside source said the move is because Volvo have problems with engine failure due to material fatigue. Small displacement with high HP in heavy cars. This of course affects profitability at a time of expensive R&D.
It goes without saying the above isn't confirmed.
It goes without saying the above isn't confirmed.
mwstewart said:
Speaking today to a friend of mine - Swedish engineer in the automotive industry - and his inside source said the move is because Volvo have problems with engine failure due to material fatigue. Small displacement with high HP in heavy cars. This of course affects profitability at a time of expensive R&D.
It goes without saying the above isn't confirmed.
They (the new VEA engines) are all 2 litres. All but one diesel puts out less than 200bhp and the most powerful 2litre petrol puts out c. 300bhp so hardly massively over stressed. The popular t5 is makes around 250bhp. They should last well It goes without saying the above isn't confirmed.
st4 said:
They (the new VEA engines) are all 2 litres. All but one diesel puts out less than 200bhp and the most powerful 2litre petrol puts out c. 300bhp so hardly massively over stressed. The popular t5 is makes around 250bhp. They should last well
The engines he referred to are a new generation of petrol engine called 'SI-HCCI'. I'm not knowledgeable on all things Volvo but a Google search shows the VEA is a current generation engine. The issues are with the new engine due for MY20 when the limit will come into effect.We could move to California where speed limit free lanes on highways are being proposed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/california-senator...
https://www.businessinsider.com/california-senator...
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