RE: Jaguar I-Pace wins European Car of the Year

[unrepentant]

Well deserved, it's a great car.

It drives like a sport sedan, has awesome acceleration, regenerative braking is a blast, gorgeous interior, 2 year service intervals, great looks, excellent build quality, British design and heritage, never buy gas again!

What's not to like?

[Limpet]

Great news for Jaguar. Good to see some recognition for what is a genuine game changer.

[Roy m]

SOL111 said:

But they are dictating to you lol

Jag could make it go faster but are limiting it to 124mph in the same way my i3s is limited to 100mph.

And don't get me started on ze Germans, who limit their cars to 157 or something

bds

But the issue here is that Jaguar are in essence saying ' if you want this model these are the operating parameters it works within, if they don't suit you then choose another model'.

Whereas Volvo are saying ' we know better than our customers so we're setting an arbitrary maximum speed no matter which model you choose' or even worse ' we can't design what we need to meet customer requirements so we'll enforce limits on our customers but lie to them about why we've done it!'

And don't get me started about the notion that the electricity to power electric cars
mysteriously appears from nowhere and if we all drove them there would be no emissions!

And the CLS isn't speed limited - it's just not very fast!!

Edited by Roy m on Monday 4th March 19:54

Edited by Roy m on Monday 4th March 19:58

[unpc]

A worthy winner IMO. My FiL bought one of these and I've driven it a fair bit and it's superb. Effortlessly quick and refined. I'd consider myself a die hard petrolhead but if this is the future I can live with it. As long as I can keep my 5L V8 for fun.

[Hazman123]

cib24 said:

How are reliability and software issues on these so far? Given it's JLR and a new car launch, I would guess there are quite a few people battling with issues as early adopters.

Mine's been brilliant so far. No problems. Most complete car I've ever had.

[essayer]

I’ve heard a few rumblings about people being unhappy with the range, but I suspect these are people new to EVs who aren’t used to this way of driving ..

[Bakazan]

SOL111 said:

Roy m said:

Sorry but not the point - I won't be dictated to by a Nanny car maker - governments are bad enough but I'm stuck with them. I can choose not to spend money with a car maker.

But they are dictating to you lol

Jag could make it go faster but are limiting it to 124mph in the same way my i3s is limited to 100mph.

And don't get me started on ze Germans, who limit their cars to 157 or something

bds

.... or the motorbike manufacturers that limit the top speed to 186 mph, it's not on.

[scenario8]

In the Alpine thread when talking of value for money apparently being an important consideration when awarding the ECOTY I said;

scenario8 said:

Thanks for that. The text claims that value for money is one of only two qualities that is “a particularly important factor” which may partly explain why there have been so many dreary yet affordable previous winners. Elsewhere on their pages they confusingly state the shortlisted cars are judged and the jurors themselves state their criteria. Possibly a translation quirk.

To be honest I have near zero respect for the award at all and only commented as I hadn’t previously heard vfm was a factor so had a quick look to find out.

The iPace will do well to win, then, too. I guess another dull family car with no real game changing or particularly interesting quality to win again, then? A Kia would be notable for its non European status.

As is commonly the case my analysis is utter horseplop.

Congratulations JLR.

[Buster73]

I was in Portugal when they used the hotel I was staying in for the press launch .

Fine looking car , over £80k for the launch model iirc .

Only seen one on the road so far , I’m still waiting to be contacted by the dealership I requested a test drive in months ago , they must be busy...

[Krikkit]

SOL111 said:

Roy m said:

Sorry but not the point - I won't be dictated to by a Nanny car maker - governments are bad enough but I'm stuck with them. I can choose not to spend money with a car maker.

But they are dictating to you lol

Jag could make it go faster but are limiting it to 124mph in the same way my i3s is limited to 100mph.

And don't get me started on ze Germans, who limit their cars to 157 or something

bds

Could they make it go that much faster without risking battery/electronics damage? I thought it was related to discharge rate through the electrical gubbins that limited top speed.

[CambsBill]

cib24 said:

True. I didn't say that Tesla were any good but JLR are constantly at the bottom of reliability metrics globally (particularly their electrics) so figured they must be having issues with a EV that runs on so much software.

Care to share a 'metric' that shows Jaguar at the bottom of a reliability chart? Most I've seen they're near the top nowadays.

[RobDickinson]

CambsBill said:

Care to share a 'metric' that shows Jaguar at the bottom of a reliability chart? Most I've seen they're near the top nowadays.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd...


https://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

[CambsBill]

RobDickinson said:

CambsBill said:

Care to share a 'metric' that shows Jaguar at the bottom of a reliability chart? Most I've seen they're near the top nowadays.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd...


https://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

So you prove your point by linking to a list that has Jaguar ahead of Mercedes, BW, Audi and Porsche. Well I'm convinced

Then again, one survey has Porsche close to the top, the other has it close to the bottom. What does that make Porsche, average?

[RobDickinson]

It wasn't my point.

[CambsBill]

RobDickinson said:

It wasn't my point.

Not sure what your point was in that case. Just that only the fifth post into a COTY thread you're casting the usual Jag-hating aspersions about reliability that are getting tiresomely predictable on PH.

[0a]

Good to see Jaguar win. This car certainly doesn’t deliver on the grace part of the famous slogan though!

[RobDickinson]

CambsBill said:

Not sure what your point was in that case. Just that only the fifth post into a COTY thread you're casting the usual Jag-hating aspersions about reliability that are getting tiresomely predictable on PH.

I didn't say anything other than link 2 major reliability scores. Are you confusing me with someone else?
I
Personally I happen to like the ipace, and reliability isn't why I don't own one.

[CoolHands]

Don’t the st cars win this? the Fiat tipo won it, for God’s sake! Bloody ridiculous

[CambsBill]

RobDickinson said:

CambsBill said:

Not sure what your point was in that case. Just that only the fifth post into a COTY thread you're casting the usual Jag-hating aspersions about reliability that are getting tiresomely predictable on PH.

I didn't say anything other than link 2 major reliability scores. Are you confusing me with someone else?
I
Personally I happen to like the ipace, and reliability isn't why I don't own one.

Doh, didn't notice that the reply to my question came from someone else, sorry.

Saw a iPace on the road yesterday but only fleetingly. Looked good but I might just have to visit the local dealer to have a proper gander.

[williamp]

CambsBill said:

RobDickinson said:

CambsBill said:

Care to share a 'metric' that shows Jaguar at the bottom of a reliability chart? Most I've seen they're near the top nowadays.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd...


https://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

So you prove your point by linking to a list that has Jaguar ahead of Mercedes, BW, Audi and Porsche. Well I'm convinced

Then again, one survey has Porsche close to the top, the other has it close to the bottom. What does that make Porsche, average?

Same score as Honda too. I think JLR will take that...