RE: McLaren Grand Tourer: Geneva 2019
Discussion
could we just wait for the real pics ?
pistonheads loves a testing car these days or a car that doesn't actually exist concept rubbishness
there's lots of real cars we could write about ?
i count 6 ''spied'' cars on homepage currently
bore off!!!!!!!!!!!
i mean i could say oh i spied a 2000hp new lambo today ...u could ask me what it looked like ? well it was covered in white and black paper and looked a bit like a lambo .....no more info cheers
pistonheads loves a testing car these days or a car that doesn't actually exist concept rubbishness
there's lots of real cars we could write about ?
i count 6 ''spied'' cars on homepage currently
bore off!!!!!!!!!!!
i mean i could say oh i spied a 2000hp new lambo today ...u could ask me what it looked like ? well it was covered in white and black paper and looked a bit like a lambo .....no more info cheers
Edited by housen on Wednesday 3rd April 14:04
write up said:
As part of its efforts to achieve this, the test car has been sent on a 1000-mile road trip from McLaren’s continental development base near Barcelona back to its Surrey home with two occupants on board, who’ve brimmed it with luggage. This is all in the name of endurance and refinement testing and not just an employee jolly up, although it does sound rather fun
Since when are 1000 miles supposed to represent any kind of endurance testing for a production car?Is it expected to break down every 10 miles?
redroadster said:
Too low seating ,won't be as plush inside as a Bentley but if they sell them good for UK economy and staff .
I think that may be what the "#NewRules" thing may be. They're going away from the normal. I doubt the interior will be as nice, no. But if it's comfortable (which the 2 McLaren cars I've been in have been....perhaps not super GT, but for a sports car they're very good - and I'll assume this will be set up more comfortably) and a bit more roomy than the others, then it should be good. Having a lower driving position shouldn't be a reason why it'd make a bad GT car IMO.GranCab said:
The "new rules" moniker is to PR waffle to cover the fact they don't currently have the capability to produce anything other than a low-slung composite tubbed mid-engine two seat car with restricted luggage/storage space.
It's no more a GT car than a McLaren F1.
Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure how, but based upon your last statement, I'm assuming you know how comfortable it is compared to the F1, how refined it is, how much luggage capacity it has etc compared to the F1?It's no more a GT car than a McLaren F1.
I'm going to assume it'll be less noisy in terms of wind noise etc, and it won't have a manual gearbox so in terms of general driving it'll already be a bit more "GT", but aside from that I won't comment, because I have no idea of the specs of the car.
GranCab said:
The "new rules" moniker is to PR waffle to cover the fact they don't currently have the capability to produce anything other than a low-slung composite tubbed mid-engine two seat car with restricted luggage/storage space.
It's no more a GT car than a McLaren F1.
All you’ve seen is a few exterior pics of a car in camo. It's no more a GT car than a McLaren F1.
So this is an assumption based on a guess, which you seem very keen on repeating.
Or are you inebriated again?
Edited by Maldini35 on Thursday 4th April 13:55
Maldini35 said:
GranCab said:
The "new rules" moniker is to PR waffle to cover the fact they don't currently have the capability to produce anything other than a low-slung composite tubbed mid-engine two seat car with restricted luggage/storage space.
It's no more a GT car than a McLaren F1.
All you’ve seen is a few exterior pics of a car in camo. It's no more a GT car than a McLaren F1.
So this is an assumption based on a guess, which you seem very keen on repeating.
Or are you inebriated again?
You mentioned in previous threads that you have a 812 on order so I guess you prefer the more traditional big and heavy GT formula, so it’s hardly a surprise that this car doesn’t appeal to you.
But by all means keep guessing as to the potential flaws of this car.
Anyway, we’ll find out soon enough
DeejRC said:
Leggy...you sound just the chap I need to chat with!
What is the Frunk/luggage'ability like on your middie donkeys?
I have a 4C coupe, I regard it as the essence of Lancia distilled into modern form and as such the closest thing to God since Stanley Mathews. Given that my wife regarded a previous Integrale of mine as a petrol fume smelling ugly piece of tin, you can imagine her opinion of going anywhere beyond 2 miles in the 4C.
The other side of the fence is our Cayenne, which unfortunately is disgustingly good at hauling you, luggage, dogs, anything, anywhere - because lets face it, who actually wants to take the wife away for a weekend somewhere nice in a diesel dog hauler, no matter how V8'y it is?
So - I have been considering mid engined, drop top motors with some flair, that could take her and muggins off somewhere nice at weekends. Like yourself - and I presume most blokes with wives - this wonderful "playboy chap about town" ideal comes up against the cold hard reality of luggage. Namely - hers.
So, what are your thoughts on such things as 360s and 430s with respect to the boring practical things of the above?
I think the mid engined Ferraris are actually quite good in terms of luggage space (well the Coupes anyway, as you have useful space behind the seats - that might not be the case on a Spider). I toured in my 355 without problem (it obviously is no Cayenne, but using soft bags, you can fit quite a bit of stuff)What is the Frunk/luggage'ability like on your middie donkeys?
I have a 4C coupe, I regard it as the essence of Lancia distilled into modern form and as such the closest thing to God since Stanley Mathews. Given that my wife regarded a previous Integrale of mine as a petrol fume smelling ugly piece of tin, you can imagine her opinion of going anywhere beyond 2 miles in the 4C.
The other side of the fence is our Cayenne, which unfortunately is disgustingly good at hauling you, luggage, dogs, anything, anywhere - because lets face it, who actually wants to take the wife away for a weekend somewhere nice in a diesel dog hauler, no matter how V8'y it is?
So - I have been considering mid engined, drop top motors with some flair, that could take her and muggins off somewhere nice at weekends. Like yourself - and I presume most blokes with wives - this wonderful "playboy chap about town" ideal comes up against the cold hard reality of luggage. Namely - hers.
So, what are your thoughts on such things as 360s and 430s with respect to the boring practical things of the above?
_Leg_ said:
Thanks both.
No one ever posted anything arsey when I had market stall after leaving school at 16, nor when I was doing 70 hour weeks for 20 years or gambling my family home to buy the business I worked for. Funny eh. Also, it's Pistonheads and this is a thread about a supercar, if you cant talk supercars here, where can you?
With regards to this thread though, all I was saying is that I think it would be difficult to make a GT that you could genuinely tour in (i.e. 3 weeks round Europe moving from hotel to hotel with max 2 night stays) with your partner due to luggage space requirements ranging from what you both want to take, to what you buy on route which is part of touring. I hope McLaren have done something clever and cracked it though. There isn't much innovation coming out of the supercar manufacturers right now IMO, just more of the same with extra power we don't need, tech that does bugger all in real life and new body panels.
In my humble opinion it's hard to see the benefit in moving from previous generations of supercars into the latest at the moment so if McLaren have finally done something different, i.e. made a mid engined GT that can genuinely be used as a GT in the contexts I mention above, then well done them and I'll be visiting a dealer.
If it's just another mid engined supercar like the ones we've seen before with a GT badge, then it's nothing new. You can already happily tour in a 360, 430, 458, 488, Gallardo, 570S, 720S etc etc if you pack lightly. Hell, I've toured in my S3 Exige Sport with my son and we were fine and that has less luggage space than a hamster's posing pouch. If, big if, I could convince my wife to get in the Exige I would need a trailer for her bags.
Yes, its bit wierd when somebody gets snarky on a thread about a GT super car when somebody else contributes with real world experience of grand touring in super cars ! Who knew Jeremy Corbyn even posted on here ?No one ever posted anything arsey when I had market stall after leaving school at 16, nor when I was doing 70 hour weeks for 20 years or gambling my family home to buy the business I worked for. Funny eh. Also, it's Pistonheads and this is a thread about a supercar, if you cant talk supercars here, where can you?
With regards to this thread though, all I was saying is that I think it would be difficult to make a GT that you could genuinely tour in (i.e. 3 weeks round Europe moving from hotel to hotel with max 2 night stays) with your partner due to luggage space requirements ranging from what you both want to take, to what you buy on route which is part of touring. I hope McLaren have done something clever and cracked it though. There isn't much innovation coming out of the supercar manufacturers right now IMO, just more of the same with extra power we don't need, tech that does bugger all in real life and new body panels.
In my humble opinion it's hard to see the benefit in moving from previous generations of supercars into the latest at the moment so if McLaren have finally done something different, i.e. made a mid engined GT that can genuinely be used as a GT in the contexts I mention above, then well done them and I'll be visiting a dealer.
If it's just another mid engined supercar like the ones we've seen before with a GT badge, then it's nothing new. You can already happily tour in a 360, 430, 458, 488, Gallardo, 570S, 720S etc etc if you pack lightly. Hell, I've toured in my S3 Exige Sport with my son and we were fine and that has less luggage space than a hamster's posing pouch. If, big if, I could convince my wife to get in the Exige I would need a trailer for her bags.
Edited by _Leg_ on Wednesday 6th March 20:19
GranCab said:
Maldini35 said:
GranCab said:
Maldini35 said:
GranCab said:
"New rules" aren't necessarily better ... McLaren are currently trying to create different types of vehicle with one basic design and their marketing department is trying a bit too hard here.
A GT car should have a more relaxed / upright driving position, a useable boot for luggage etc. etc.
I agree - let’s wait and see. A GT car should have a more relaxed / upright driving position, a useable boot for luggage etc. etc.
Hard to tell much from a heavily camouflaged test car.
Unless you know more?
It might be camouflaged but it's fairly obvious (to those of us blessed with eyesight...) that it is low and wide - not my idea of a GT car.
Edited by GranCab on Tuesday 5th March 13:54
Perhaps you should post your latest eye test for the avoidance of doubt...
You maybe right about the McLaren but some of my favourite GT's of the 60's & 70's were low and wide.
GT's never used to be 2 tonne gin palaces. Some were lightly modified competition cars.
Maybe it's time for a shake up?
P.S. There's no need for the apostrophes in GTs / 60s / 70s - they are a plurals not a possessive nouns
Edited by GranCab on Tuesday 5th March 18:27
blasos said:
You're very much incorrect: apostrophes should be placed before the aforementioned decades to show the omission of the century number viz. '60s and '70s.
Your apostrophes are in the correct place ... his were placed after the decade e.g. 60's which, as I'm sure you know, is incorrect.Edited by GranCab on Friday 5th April 09:27
LaurasOtherHalf said:
GTs need large luggage space or small seats for the kids, I suspect this'll have neither.
Stuffing the kids into the luggage space is generally frowned upon these days. Probably acceptable in the 80's though.This is why I bought an Evora 400 as a 2+2 rather than the Sport 410 which they only do as a 2+0.
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