RE: 340hp Volkswagen Touareg tops UK range

[mrbarnett]

If only they could make it sound as good as the old VR6...

[wab172uk]

Surely something that big and heavy, only a Diesel makes sense?

[aeropilot]

aarondbs said:

st4 said:

aarondbs said:

Rather embarrassingly I like the V6 Diesel engine in the F Pace but I’m comparing it to the horrible petrol in the X5 e motion which I also have the pleasure of. It sounds purposeful and feels like it belongs in an SUV.

The mpg difference in this compared to the diesel alternative would also put me off too. Nice car though and I like brown

If the V6 diesel in your F pace is anything like the straight six diesel in the X6 40d I borrowed or indeed the V6 that was in my old S class, E classes I would sooner pay the extra fuel costs to not hear it

We're all different mind but this to me, is the engine in VW toureg range to get.

You could be right.

In the words of John Wayne, that'll be the day.

[Burwood]

I like how VW are quoting 48mpg for the 3L diesel (m/way). There is no hope in hell getting anywhere remotely close to that figure. The petrol will be lucky to get 30. I'd wait for the hybrid

[aaron_2000]

st4 said:

aaron_2000 said:

Rather have the diesel for the low down grunt that an SUV needs. Sure if it was 1994, maybe I'd agree with the comments about diesel that belong there, but it isn't, it's 2019 and a 3.0 V6 diesel is a smooth engine, especially in a car like this.

I can’t agree. No six clyinder diesel can match a six clyinder petrol for NVH.

That matters more to me than outright torque or power.

Certainly matters to anyone who plans on using their Touareg. It's odd, to me and pretty much anyone else, the 3.0 V6 TDI is a nice smooth engine. I know I'm wasting my time, you oddly have a blanket hatred of diesel engines, and when someone has a blanket hatred, it's impossible to reason with them.

[st4]

aaron_2000 said:

Certainly matters to anyone who plans on using their Touareg. It's odd, to me and pretty much anyone else, the 3.0 V6 TDI is a nice smooth engine. I know I'm wasting my time, you oddly have a blanket hatred of diesel engines, and when someone has a blanket hatred, it's impossible to reason with them.

Try two models of the same car, one diesel, one petrol. You’ll hear and feel the refinement difference alright. Take this new petrol out then back to back test it against the diesel model without the radio on etc and you’ll see what I’m harping on about.

The petrol will do a few mpg less - but that’s cheap at the price for the refinement on offer and largely immaterial to someone who can comfortably afford the to buy the car new

Edit - the petrol car has bags of torque - it is far from slow or under powered. It will be very wafty and smooth. I'd rather have the Lexus Hybrid RX450h (as I love Lexus) but if I was a VAG fan in the market for an expensive VAG 4x4 this would be top of the list.

Edited by st4 on Thursday 7th March 14:25

Edited by st4 on Thursday 7th March 14:37

[aaron_2000]

st4 said:

aaron_2000 said:

Certainly matters to anyone who plans on using their Touareg. It's odd, to me and pretty much anyone else, the 3.0 V6 TDI is a nice smooth engine. I know I'm wasting my time, you oddly have a blanket hatred of diesel engines, and when someone has a blanket hatred, it's impossible to reason with them.

Try two models of the same car, one diesel, one petrol. You’ll hear and feel the refinement difference alright. Take this new petrol out then back to back test it against the diesel model without the radio on etc and you’ll see what I’m harping on about.

The petrol will do a few mpg less - but that’s cheap at the price for the refinement on offer and largely immaterial to someone who can comfortably afford the to buy the car new

Edit - the petrol car has bags of torque - it is far from slow or under powered. It will be very wafty and smooth. I'd rather have the Lexus Hybrid RX450h (as I love Lexus) but if I was a VAG fan in the market for an expensive VAG 4x4 this would be top of the list.

Edited by st4 on Thursday 7th March 14:25

Edited by st4 on Thursday 7th March 14:37

Already have. Which is why I prefer the diesel. In fact, on the move and under load, it's quieter.

[Helicopter123]

Not sure much of a market for a large petrol-engined Touareg in the UK?

Presume these are bought by people without the budget for a Q7 or Cayenne so would seem odd that they then go for an expensive version to run.

At least the V8 Diesel would have a USP.

[WojaWabbit]

st4 said:

You don't need 400bhp plus in a wallowy 4x4.

Most people don't need a wallowy 4x4. Or any type of 4x4. Or any vehicle this size for that matter. But they do seem to like them regardless.

[st4]

WojaWabbit said:

Most people don't need a wallowy 4x4. Or any type of 4x4. Or any vehicle this size for that matter. But they do seem to like them regardless.

Yes and the most likeable model in the Toureg range is this 3.0 petrol. Not some coarse nasty diseasal

[aaron_2000]

st4 said:

WojaWabbit said:

Most people don't need a wallowy 4x4. Or any type of 4x4. Or any vehicle this size for that matter. But they do seem to like them regardless.

Yes and the most likeable model in the Toureg range is this 3.0 petrol. Not some coarse nasty diseasal

No logic, just blanket hate

[st4]

aaron_2000 said:

No logic, just blanket hate

No hate dude, just experience of both petrol and diesel cars and over a decade of owning “premium” cars.

If you’re happy with your diesel great - but others prefer petrol cars. The landscape isn’t good for diesels. The Regulatory landscape is turning against them. A petrol car is a safer buy, the newer direct injection engines are very frugal, they’re quiet, smooth and sonorous and have bags of torque and power.

[rassi]

aaron_2000 said:

st4 said:

aaron_2000 said:

Rather have the diesel for the low down grunt that an SUV needs. Sure if it was 1994, maybe I'd agree with the comments about diesel that belong there, but it isn't, it's 2019 and a 3.0 V6 diesel is a smooth engine, especially in a car like this.

I can’t agree. No six clyinder diesel can match a six clyinder petrol for NVH.

That matters more to me than outright torque or power.

Certainly matters to anyone who plans on using their Touareg. It's odd, to me and pretty much anyone else, the 3.0 V6 TDI is a nice smooth engine. I know I'm wasting my time, you oddly have a blanket hatred of diesel engines, and when someone has a blanket hatred, it's impossible to reason with them.

^^^^^ spot on! A modern V6 diesel is extremely smooth and a wall of torque that suits any heavy vehicle like a 2 tonnes SUV. Low down torque is key in this type of vehicle

[davidc1]

Really dig this. Handsome and classy but not ott.

[Wills2]

rassi said:

aaron_2000 said:

st4 said:

aaron_2000 said:

Rather have the diesel for the low down grunt that an SUV needs. Sure if it was 1994, maybe I'd agree with the comments about diesel that belong there, but it isn't, it's 2019 and a 3.0 V6 diesel is a smooth engine, especially in a car like this.

I can’t agree. No six clyinder diesel can match a six clyinder petrol for NVH.

That matters more to me than outright torque or power.

Certainly matters to anyone who plans on using their Touareg. It's odd, to me and pretty much anyone else, the 3.0 V6 TDI is a nice smooth engine. I know I'm wasting my time, you oddly have a blanket hatred of diesel engines, and when someone has a blanket hatred, it's impossible to reason with them.

^^^^^ spot on! A modern V6 diesel is extremely smooth and a wall of torque that suits any heavy vehicle like a 2 tonnes SUV. Low down torque is key in this type of vehicle

I agree, I think there is a reason LR sold all those V8 diesel FFRR for £100k+ and it wasn't that the buyers were sort of a few bob, it just suits the application, I wouldn't want a diesel in a sporty car but in these big heavy SUVs a big diesel is good news.

Dare I say it I also think the diesel engine in my 7 series suits the car and its usage very well.

[MrGTI6]

Wills2 said:

rassi said:

aaron_2000 said:

st4 said:

aaron_2000 said:

Rather have the diesel for the low down grunt that an SUV needs. Sure if it was 1994, maybe I'd agree with the comments about diesel that belong there, but it isn't, it's 2019 and a 3.0 V6 diesel is a smooth engine, especially in a car like this.

I can’t agree. No six clyinder diesel can match a six clyinder petrol for NVH.

That matters more to me than outright torque or power.

Certainly matters to anyone who plans on using their Touareg. It's odd, to me and pretty much anyone else, the 3.0 V6 TDI is a nice smooth engine. I know I'm wasting my time, you oddly have a blanket hatred of diesel engines, and when someone has a blanket hatred, it's impossible to reason with them.

^^^^^ spot on! A modern V6 diesel is extremely smooth and a wall of torque that suits any heavy vehicle like a 2 tonnes SUV. Low down torque is key in this type of vehicle

I agree, I think there is a reason LR sold all those V8 diesel FFRR for £100k+ and it wasn't that the buyers were sort of a few bob, it just suits the application, I wouldn't want a diesel in a sporty car but in these big heavy SUVs a big diesel is good news.

Dare I say it I also think the diesel engine in my 7 series suits the car and its usage very well.

Agreed. It's a shame they won't sell the Touareg with the diesel V8 in the UK.

[Wills2]

aaron_2000 said:

st4 said:

WojaWabbit said:

Most people don't need a wallowy 4x4. Or any type of 4x4. Or any vehicle this size for that matter. But they do seem to like them regardless.

Yes and the most likeable model in the Toureg range is this 3.0 petrol. Not some coarse nasty diseasal

No logic, just blanket hate

Once you've experienced the shock and awe that is the 3 star wheezefest GS250, you get used to power and refinement on a level most people wouldn't understand...

Hence ST4 is our new pet "expert troll" on all things motoring on these pages.

[st4]

Wills2 said:

Once you've experienced the shock and awe that is the 3 star wheezefest GS250, you get used to power and refinement on a level most people wouldn't understand...

Hence ST4 is our new pet "expert troll" on all things motoring on these pages.

Listen fool, I’ve had plenty diesels and they don’t suit a luxury car. The lack of refinement, narrow power band and coarse engine note make for a dull, unrefined driving experience.

[st4]

rassi said:

^^^^^ spot on! A modern V6 diesel is extremely smooth and a wall of torque that suits any heavy vehicle like a 2 tonnes SUV. Low down torque is key in this type of vehicle

And this petrol model has bags of it. And makes more power once it’s rev’d out.

[Escort Si-130]

Overpriced by at least £20k imo.