RE: 340hp Volkswagen Touareg tops UK range
Discussion
RedWhiteMonkey said:
Burwood said:
I believe the Touareg is not Apple CarPlay compatible. For that reason alone i wouldn't buy one.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/new-touareg/exploreScroll down and he says it is compatible with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
st4 said:
rassi said:
^^^^^ spot on! A modern V6 diesel is extremely smooth and a wall of torque that suits any heavy vehicle like a 2 tonnes SUV. Low down torque is key in this type of vehicle
And this petrol model has bags of it. And makes more power once it’s rev’d out. Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 8th March 13:30
anonymous said:
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Off topic, that was a crazy issue, using the data sim card slot cut off the hands free profile. I assumed it would get patched, the Touareg infotainment system at the time only worked with the Android RSAP bluetooth profile, not the Apple bluetooth profile. The equivalent Audi version of that nav system got patched so you could run two sims at once, the VW system never did.The new Tourareg does have Carplay.
aaron_2000 said:
Good. The one thing I really hate about the diesel Touareg is that I don't have to rev it out for power and torque, it's just there instantly. Nothing more refined than having to rev out an SUV to get power and torque.
The petrol will be totally amazing. If you like your car prepare to love this one.Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 8th March 13:30
st4 said:
aaron_2000 said:
Good. The one thing I really hate about the diesel Touareg is that I don't have to rev it out for power and torque, it's just there instantly. Nothing more refined than having to rev out an SUV to get power and torque.
The petrol will be totally amazing. If you like your car prepare to love this one.Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 8th March 13:30
Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 8th March 15:10
aaron_2000 said:
What would I love about less torque, more noise, having to rev it out to get power and torque and the drop in refinement that comes with it? For someone that seems to care so much about refinement, you do seem to oddly defend the less refined model that's less useful than the diesel across the board.
Less torque over a wider and quieter Rev band. Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 8th March 15:10
It’ll be more refined and nicer. Please try it and you’ll wonder why you ever bothered driving a diesel.
st4 said:
aaron_2000 said:
What would I love about less torque, more noise, having to rev it out to get power and torque and the drop in refinement that comes with it? For someone that seems to care so much about refinement, you do seem to oddly defend the less refined model that's less useful than the diesel across the board.
Less torque over a wider and quieter Rev band. Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 8th March 15:10
It’ll be more refined and nicer. Please try it and you’ll wonder why you ever bothered driving a diesel.
st4 said:
aaron_2000 said:
What would I love about less torque, more noise, having to rev it out to get power and torque and the drop in refinement that comes with it? For someone that seems to care so much about refinement, you do seem to oddly defend the less refined model that's less useful than the diesel across the board.
Less torque over a wider and quieter Rev band. Edited by aaron_2000 on Friday 8th March 15:10
It’ll be more refined and nicer. Please try it and you’ll wonder why you ever bothered driving a diesel.
aaron_2000 said:
Driven numerous petrol/diesel variants back to back, which is why I drive a diesel. I believe I've already explained why I and pretty much everyone else who doesn't have a blanket hate of diesels prefers driving them. They're smooth, torquey, they suit an SUV perfectly, they have all their power and torque low down which is exactly where you want them, they don't require you to "rev them out", they're a lazy engine for a lazy car. Who in their right mind would want to have an SUV that they have to rev out to get anything from? How unrefined.
Well, I have too and every time the petrol has been better. A turbo or supercharged V6 petrol is the definition of lazy. A diesel isn't due to the complete lack of torque before the turbo spools up. They're not as smooth at idle, at manouvering speeds etc.To pretend they are more refined is just nuts.
Burwood said:
I can see a few benefits with Diesel. An 800 mile range (90 litre tank). It depends how many miles you do and how those miles are accumulated. Still, I had hoped the V8 would have been an option.
So on the same sized tank the petrol will do 600 miles. Hardly a C63 which barely will do 200 miles. I wouldn't find that a hassle. I did enjoy the 800 miles I got from my 80 litre tank in my E320cdi but the refinement issues less so.
I get 450 miles out of my current petrol cars tank and actually I cannot think, despite doing a reasonably big annual miles, that it's that much of a hardship. The smooth sonorous engine, linear power delivery, total absence of drive train noise and vibration are all more welcome.
st4 said:
aaron_2000 said:
Driven numerous petrol/diesel variants back to back, which is why I drive a diesel. I believe I've already explained why I and pretty much everyone else who doesn't have a blanket hate of diesels prefers driving them. They're smooth, torquey, they suit an SUV perfectly, they have all their power and torque low down which is exactly where you want them, they don't require you to "rev them out", they're a lazy engine for a lazy car. Who in their right mind would want to have an SUV that they have to rev out to get anything from? How unrefined.
Well, I have too and every time the petrol has been better. A turbo or supercharged V6 petrol is the definition of lazy. A diesel isn't due to the complete lack of torque before the turbo spools up. They're not as smooth at idle, at manouvering speeds etc.To pretend they are more refined is just nuts.
jakeb said:
You can then buy it of BCA at a knock down price at the end of the contract.
How does buying it work? Whenever I've heard anyone getting pricing for their VWFS lease car, inlcuding my brother, the price has been high - like full forecourt retail.Or do you mean go to the auction and buy it? I understood they're usually sold in closed auctions.
aaron_2000 said:
It's just pointless arguing with you, as I've repeatedly said, you just have some weird blanket hate of diesels, no matter which they are. You're in no way open to any logic, just wasting my time arguing with one person who's 'opinions' differ from everyone else, hence the diesel bias SUV market. I guess you're entitled to your incorrect opinions.
Listen, people buy diesels to save money. Just admit it, you did too. I did for years. It was totally the wrong choice and I admit I drove some truly terrible cars to save money - the lowest point being a c220cdi and e220cdi. I tried a diesel 7 series, diesel x6. The engines totally sullied the driving experience and refinement. Diesels do a few more mpg, thus they’re perceived to be worth more down the line which saves on the monthly payments as most people who “own” these cars “buy” them this way. That’s all. People chose the most dreadful cars going to save a tenner a week on fuel, and £30 on the “finance”
Hence the plethora of 318d and 520d models on our roads. Thankfully they’re being targeted by the lawmakers so bye bye diseasel
st4 said:
aaron_2000 said:
It's just pointless arguing with you, as I've repeatedly said, you just have some weird blanket hate of diesels, no matter which they are. You're in no way open to any logic, just wasting my time arguing with one person who's 'opinions' differ from everyone else, hence the diesel bias SUV market. I guess you're entitled to your incorrect opinions.
Listen, people buy diesels to save money. Just admit it, you did too. I did for years. It was totally the wrong choice and I admit I drove some truly terrible cars to save money - the lowest point being a c220cdi and e220cdi. I tried a diesel 7 series, diesel x6. The engines totally sullied the driving experience and refinement. Diesels do a few more mpg, thus they’re perceived to be worth more down the line which saves on the monthly payments as most people who “own” these cars “buy” them this way. That’s all. People chose the most dreadful cars going to save a tenner a week on fuel, and £30 on the “finance”
Hence the plethora of 318d and 520d models on our roads. Thankfully they’re being targeted by the lawmakers so bye bye diseasel
SUV requires: Torque, low down grunt for towing
Diesel: Torque, low down grunt, the 3.0 V6 TDI is smooth, quiet, and has plenty of grunt. I find it's quieter than the petrol and just as smooth, therefore more refined.
If I wanted to save money, I would drive the god awful hybrid, but I can't imagine a worse power train to curse it with. Keep the moronic assumptions to yourself please, especially when you've only "tried" a few I6 diesel engines.
st4 said:
Burwood said:
I can see a few benefits with Diesel. An 800 mile range (90 litre tank). It depends how many miles you do and how those miles are accumulated. Still, I had hoped the V8 would have been an option.
So on the same sized tank the petrol will do 600 miles. Hardly a C63 which barely will do 200 miles. I wouldn't find that a hassle. I did enjoy the 800 miles I got from my 80 litre tank in my E320cdi but the refinement issues less so.
I get 450 miles out of my current petrol cars tank and actually I cannot think, despite doing a reasonably big annual miles, that it's that much of a hardship. The smooth sonorous engine, linear power delivery, total absence of drive train noise and vibration are all more welcome.
aaron_2000 said:
If saving money was the aim, you think a Touareg would even be on the table? Very simple:
SUV requires: Torque, low down grunt for towing
Diesel: Torque, low down grunt, the 3.0 V6 TDI is smooth, quiet, and has plenty of grunt. I find it's quieter than the petrol and just as smooth, therefore more refined.
If I wanted to save money, I would drive the god awful hybrid, but I can't imagine a worse power train to curse it with. Keep the moronic assumptions to yourself please, especially when you've only "tried" a few I6 diesel engines.
Are you for real?SUV requires: Torque, low down grunt for towing
Diesel: Torque, low down grunt, the 3.0 V6 TDI is smooth, quiet, and has plenty of grunt. I find it's quieter than the petrol and just as smooth, therefore more refined.
If I wanted to save money, I would drive the god awful hybrid, but I can't imagine a worse power train to curse it with. Keep the moronic assumptions to yourself please, especially when you've only "tried" a few I6 diesel engines.
I’ve owned 3 Mercedes with the OM642 engine (diesel) covering well over 100k miles in them, the d5 Volvo in the s80 and two four cylinder diesels (something I wouldn’t wish on anyone)
Never mind the petrol Lexus and petrol BMW’s.
I can safely say petrol engines win hands down. The best diesel was the Volvo - at least it made a nice roar at full tilt. The others were abysmal and marred the cars terribly.
The hybrid gives more torque than your 3litre diesel and is more refined to boot.
You’d find a petrol better for towing. More flexible delivery of power and torque.
People do choose diesels to save money. Clearly not you but most buy these on PCP and without these finance packages would in no way in hells chance be able to afford them otherwise. Hence they choose the cheapest, slowest, noisiest and most economical varient they can as really the cars beyond their means.
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