RE: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon: Spotted

[dvshannow]

Think the pickup market is the real competition to these cars - some of those have excellent reps for reliability, well designed interiors and a v useful load space while being v capable off road also

[skyrover]

RenesisEvo said:

Having driven one of these, I couldn't justify it at even a fifth of the price tag listed. It was horrifyingly unstable on B-roads, no sense that the axles had any connection to the body - responses were often out of sync or just plain random. A hopeless mix of anaemic V6 connected to a preposterously-tall geared slushbox that wants to slip all the time. It never feels like it has over 200bhp. A mile straight and I couldn't reach the redline in 3rd gear. And I couldn't hear myself think such was the wind noise. The interior has exposed fasteners everywhere and competes only with the old Defender for quality and design.

If you don't ever go above 40mph and/or love rock-crawling or posing on beaches, go ahead. Otherwise buy a brand-new Jimny (or two) and spend the change on a holiday to America where it might just about make sense to hire one for a few days.

bks... you clearly have no experience driving off-road vehicles, or even light commercial vehicles for that matter.

If you think the jeep is "bad", just try driving an old Defender, Discovery, Range Rover, Hilux, etc etc etc

[dvshannow]

That said comparing a jeep to a current discovery the jeep remains very truck like while the discovery has become far more car like on the road and is still decently capable off road

[wildatheart]

skyrover said:

bks... you clearly have no experience driving off-road vehicles

You probably should have spent two minutes reading the thread before sounding off.

[unsprung]

300bhp/ton said:

At a mostly tarmac event, the Jeep ran quicker stage times than two of the three MX-5's competing.

impressive

and an illuminating series of observations and photos from behind the wheel, your post

[Rudolph Hart]

dvshannow said:

That said comparing a jeep to a current discovery the jeep remains very truck like while the discovery has become far more car like on the road and is still decently capable off road

This is a silly comparison and suggests you have no experience of the Jeep. Anybody buying a Wrangler for it’s off road capabilities isn’t going to consider a Discovery.

[dvshannow]

Rudolph Hart said:

dvshannow said:

That said comparing a jeep to a current discovery the jeep remains very truck like while the discovery has become far more car like on the road and is still decently capable off road

This is a silly comparison and suggests you have no experience of the Jeep. Anybody buying a Wrangler for it’s off road capabilities isn’t going to consider a Discovery.

What I’m saying is that it’s off road capabilities do not justify its on road crudeness - other off raiders have improved vastly on road while the jeep has not so much

[Rudolph Hart]

Have you driven a JL?

It’s a big leap forward compared to the JK ..not surprising really as the JK model was 10 years old.

I have a Jl Rubicon 2.0 turbo petrol, it replaced a 991.1GTS as my ‘other car’ , I’m very happy with it on the road.

[Rudolph Hart]

Have you driven a JL?

It’s a big leap forward compared to the JK ..not surprising really as the JK model was 10 years old.

I have a Jl Rubicon 2.0 turbo petrol, it replaced a 991.1 GTS as my ‘other car’ , I’m very happy with it on the road.

[skyrover]

dvshannow said:

What I’m saying is that it’s off road capabilities do not justify its on road crudeness - other off raiders have improved vastly on road while the jeep has not so much

You dont understand the difference between independent suspension or live axles, nor why they are important.

[300bhp/ton]

dvshannow said:

Rudolph Hart said:

dvshannow said:

That said comparing a jeep to a current discovery the jeep remains very truck like while the discovery has become far more car like on the road and is still decently capable off road

This is a silly comparison and suggests you have no experience of the Jeep. Anybody buying a Wrangler for it’s off road capabilities isn’t going to consider a Discovery.

What I’m saying is that it’s off road capabilities do not justify its on road crudeness - other off raiders have improved vastly on road while the jeep has not so much

I know where you are coming from. But there is a difference. On road they really aren’t that crude. Hell a modern Suzuki Swift is likely less comfortable on the road or any other compact hatch or city car.

As for things like the Disco 5. Yes they are capable. But they relie and require a lot of tech to make them capable. And they still lift wheels all over the show and have very vulnerable body work and large overhangs.

To put it another way. A modern Audi TT can probably lap quicker or as quickly as a Lotus Elise does on a race track. But the Lotus is still miles ahead in [i]how[\i] it does it. The same is true for the Wrangler and Disco comparison.

[dvshannow]

300bhp/ton said:

dvshannow said:

Rudolph Hart said:

dvshannow said:

That said comparing a jeep to a current discovery the jeep remains very truck like while the discovery has become far more car like on the road and is still decently capable off road

This is a silly comparison and suggests you have no experience of the Jeep. Anybody buying a Wrangler for it’s off road capabilities isn’t going to consider a Discovery.

What I’m saying is that it’s off road capabilities do not justify its on road crudeness - other off raiders have improved vastly on road while the jeep has not so much

I know where you are coming from. But there is a difference. On road they really aren’t that crude. Hell a modern Suzuki Swift is likely less comfortable on the road or any other compact hatch or city car.

As for things like the Disco 5. Yes they are capable. But they relie and require a lot of tech to make them capable. And they still lift wheels all over the show and have very vulnerable body work and large overhangs.

To put it another way. A modern Audi TT can probably lap quicker or as quickly as a Lotus Elise does on a race track. But the Lotus is still miles ahead in [i]how[\i] it does it. The same is true for the Wrangler and Disco comparison.

Yes really good points - the disco is solving for being more car like as that’s what the vast majority of them do all the time while to a surprising extent managing to keep off road capability but they are not fussed with how as in is the experience satisfying - as long as it can get up terrain better than the rest for group test shots it’s job done

Per previous post I do need to get more off road experience and feel these differences myself I have a Hilux so looking for some terrain to try it on - we happen to have a disco5 as well so would be interesting to compare the 2 though honestly I doubt we would dare do too much in the disco as it’s not my car