RE: PH Meets: Lanzante's F1-engined Porsche 930
Discussion
fernando the frog said:
I cannot believe the negativity here. This thing is perfect. If I had the money I’d have this over any new hypercar.
Not so sure it's negativity, fernando. As I and others have said, it's gorgeous but the amount of work involved and cost incurred doesn't add up on any level other than as a garage trinket to brag about at the golf course.Obviously I'd need to drive it to be convinced (hint...), but could I buy a better car for £1m? I believe I could.
Jeeze, PH cracks me up.
This is Lanzante we’re talking about, here. Not some two-bit back yard hack shop. The car will no doubt be tractable in all traffic and an utter animal when let loose.
I’d have one in a heartbeat. No wait, half a heartbeat.
Yes, it’s alottacash, but it matters not as those that’ll buy ‘em can afford it. I just hope a few get driven, and driven hard.
This is Lanzante we’re talking about, here. Not some two-bit back yard hack shop. The car will no doubt be tractable in all traffic and an utter animal when let loose.
I’d have one in a heartbeat. No wait, half a heartbeat.
Yes, it’s alottacash, but it matters not as those that’ll buy ‘em can afford it. I just hope a few get driven, and driven hard.
g7jhp said:
mrclav said:
Interesting concept and obviously great execution. At the same time, I'm a little bit 'meh' even though I fully understand and respect the effort and racing connections involved. Maybe it's also the fact I've never really been a big 964 fan either!
It's not based on the 964, it's based on the 930 3.3 turbo which preceeded it upto 1989.Bit of a handfull but unlikely to be driven in anger, more of a collectors museum piece.
The back-end is clearly from a 964 widebody/turbo tho - the interior seems more 964 too - I think even the wing mirrors are 964 but I'm not QUITE that big of a geek to be sure?
I actually really like that, but the money is crazy. I guess if your reputation goes before you though and someone will pay that sum, then why not take their money.
On the other hand, back in 2006, I paid £15k to put a Suzuki Hayabusa lump in a replica 356. That was set up for 10,000 rpm and ran through a gearbox not a chain. Sadly a friend wrote it off before the next stage which was to turbo charge it which was going to produce 400hp plus. Now I reckon that would have been just as much fun as this 930. Cooling was from a Honda radiator and it had vented discs added and proper suspension. I loved it and it sounded awesome. I reckon it would have been completely sorted for about £25-£30k. Not the same as this 930 admittedly, but £1m cheaper and a great looker!
On the other hand, back in 2006, I paid £15k to put a Suzuki Hayabusa lump in a replica 356. That was set up for 10,000 rpm and ran through a gearbox not a chain. Sadly a friend wrote it off before the next stage which was to turbo charge it which was going to produce 400hp plus. Now I reckon that would have been just as much fun as this 930. Cooling was from a Honda radiator and it had vented discs added and proper suspension. I loved it and it sounded awesome. I reckon it would have been completely sorted for about £25-£30k. Not the same as this 930 admittedly, but £1m cheaper and a great looker!
BOR said:
A load of the long lost Petronas FP1 bikes are visible in some of the photos.
I wonder what the story is there?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Btjpg6wAUEn/I wonder what the story is there?
bernhund said:
I actually really like that, but the money is crazy. I guess if your reputation goes before you though and someone will pay that sum, then why not take their money.
On the other hand, back in 2006, I paid £15k to put a Suzuki Hayabusa lump in a replica 356. That was set up for 10,000 rpm and ran through a gearbox not a chain. Sadly a friend wrote it off before the next stage which was to turbo charge it which was going to produce 400hp plus. Now I reckon that would have been just as much fun as this 930. Cooling was from a Honda radiator and it had vented discs added and proper suspension. I loved it and it sounded awesome. I reckon it would have been completely sorted for about £25-£30k. Not the same as this 930 admittedly, but £1m cheaper and a great looker!
You owe it to yourself to do this again you know?On the other hand, back in 2006, I paid £15k to put a Suzuki Hayabusa lump in a replica 356. That was set up for 10,000 rpm and ran through a gearbox not a chain. Sadly a friend wrote it off before the next stage which was to turbo charge it which was going to produce 400hp plus. Now I reckon that would have been just as much fun as this 930. Cooling was from a Honda radiator and it had vented discs added and proper suspension. I loved it and it sounded awesome. I reckon it would have been completely sorted for about £25-£30k. Not the same as this 930 admittedly, but £1m cheaper and a great looker!
jontysafe said:
bernhund said:
I actually really like that, but the money is crazy. I guess if your reputation goes before you though and someone will pay that sum, then why not take their money.
On the other hand, back in 2006, I paid £15k to put a Suzuki Hayabusa lump in a replica 356. That was set up for 10,000 rpm and ran through a gearbox not a chain. Sadly a friend wrote it off before the next stage which was to turbo charge it which was going to produce 400hp plus. Now I reckon that would have been just as much fun as this 930. Cooling was from a Honda radiator and it had vented discs added and proper suspension. I loved it and it sounded awesome. I reckon it would have been completely sorted for about £25-£30k. Not the same as this 930 admittedly, but £1m cheaper and a great looker!
You owe it to yourself to do this again you know?On the other hand, back in 2006, I paid £15k to put a Suzuki Hayabusa lump in a replica 356. That was set up for 10,000 rpm and ran through a gearbox not a chain. Sadly a friend wrote it off before the next stage which was to turbo charge it which was going to produce 400hp plus. Now I reckon that would have been just as much fun as this 930. Cooling was from a Honda radiator and it had vented discs added and proper suspension. I loved it and it sounded awesome. I reckon it would have been completely sorted for about £25-£30k. Not the same as this 930 admittedly, but £1m cheaper and a great looker!
Edited by bernhund on Saturday 9th March 12:09
This is probably aimed at people like Jay Leno or the guy from Pink Floyd, who already have a fleet of exotica and who can easily drop £1 million on another.
Personally I love early 911s. For driving on the road they are my favourite car (at least I’ve not driven something better). However you don’t need more than 220-250 bhp. In fact more makes for a worse car for road use as you need wider tyres and perhaps stiffer suspension. Great on the race track but they take away from the fun on the road.
Personally I love early 911s. For driving on the road they are my favourite car (at least I’ve not driven something better). However you don’t need more than 220-250 bhp. In fact more makes for a worse car for road use as you need wider tyres and perhaps stiffer suspension. Great on the race track but they take away from the fun on the road.
406dogvan said:
The front-end is clearly 'F body' - as with Singer, using the 'long bonnet' look because it's MUCH prettier - bumper and splitter are also 'F Body' style.
The back-end is clearly from a 964 widebody/turbo tho - the interior seems more 964 too - I think even the wing mirrors are 964 but I'm not QUITE that big of a geek to be sure?
It's a 930 (G body) from front to rear. The only visible 964 part is the centre console. Wing mirrors are the same as early 964, but were used on all 911 from the mid-70s onwards, so are correct for the car.The back-end is clearly from a 964 widebody/turbo tho - the interior seems more 964 too - I think even the wing mirrors are 964 but I'm not QUITE that big of a geek to be sure?
LarJammer said:
They are using their own VIN which would surely mean it has to go through an IVA (which it will likely fail) before being road registered.
As cool as it is, I have to question whether this is worth 10x a normal 930...
Looks like a valid, original VIN for a 1986 US-market 930 Turbo.As cool as it is, I have to question whether this is worth 10x a normal 930...
thegreenhell said:
LarJammer said:
They are using their own VIN which would surely mean it has to go through an IVA (which it will likely fail) before being road registered.
As cool as it is, I have to question whether this is worth 10x a normal 930...
Looks like a valid, original VIN for a 1986 US-market 930 Turbo.As cool as it is, I have to question whether this is worth 10x a normal 930...
article said:
It won't be...scarily boost-happy either
article said:
boost pressure has been wound back to three-bar
even with a 'smaller' turbo, 44psi of boost will be pretty boost happy!I love it, and I'm not a 930 fan, give me a 964 any day of the week normally, this one though, I'd be all over if I had the money.
Can't wait to hear it!
Edited by Robmarriott on Saturday 9th March 14:04
Don’t care how it drives - it’s not something I’ll ever have to worry about.
But as has been already said, Lanzante know what they are doing.
I think this is magnificent.
I love the back story behind these cars - Ron Dennis’ original car is stored out of site at MSO and seldom seen. Now the mythical beast is reborn.
I would buy one of these over any current hyper car.
These cars will have a soul.
But as has been already said, Lanzante know what they are doing.
I think this is magnificent.
I love the back story behind these cars - Ron Dennis’ original car is stored out of site at MSO and seldom seen. Now the mythical beast is reborn.
I would buy one of these over any current hyper car.
These cars will have a soul.
406dogvan said:
The front-end is clearly 'F body' - as with Singer, using the 'long bonnet' look because it's MUCH prettier - bumper and splitter are also 'F Body' style.
The back-end is clearly from a 964 widebody/turbo tho - the interior seems more 964 too - I think even the wing mirrors are 964 but I'm not QUITE that big of a geek to be sure?
In what way is the back clearly from a 964? Looks 930 in its entirety.The back-end is clearly from a 964 widebody/turbo tho - the interior seems more 964 too - I think even the wing mirrors are 964 but I'm not QUITE that big of a geek to be sure?
Equus said:
I'm thinking more of the scenario we find ourselves in with WWII aircraft engines (specifically the Merlin and Griffon). They were ten a penny, after the war - certainly vastly greater numbers than any F1 engine was ever built in - yet a few years of fitting them in Unliumited racing hydroplanes, stocks were depleted to the point where there is now a genuine problem for keeping historic warbirds in the air.
The article suggests they're planning a run of 11 of these cars, so they must have got hold of a job lot of the engines and are planning to use them all.
I can't imagine that there are so many TAG F1 engines kicking about unused that this represents a negligible proportion of them.
McLaren are famous for not selling off F1 bits, this has only happened as they agreed to sell the engines to Lazante in a job lot.The article suggests they're planning a run of 11 of these cars, so they must have got hold of a job lot of the engines and are planning to use them all.
I can't imagine that there are so many TAG F1 engines kicking about unused that this represents a negligible proportion of them.
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