RE: Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe: UK drive

RE: Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe: UK drive

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BlackPrince

1,271 posts

170 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
I'm the opposite and I don't like entirely black wheels, and I think that the polished/silver lip offers a fairly decent compromise. For me though all black wheels should be banned because they always look pony to my eyes.

The wheels can make or break the way a car looks and black wheels just blend into the tyre and you can't see any detail of the wheel. Whoever thought that black wheels were a good idea needs a good kick in the teeth for me!
kick in the teeth?! That's a bit extreme innit? :P

The way you analysed why the Mercedes way looks better has given me pause and made me reevaluate my opinion however and I understand what you mean about all black wheels looking cheap.


mikey k

13,011 posts

217 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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Ares said:
You need to look harder on PCP/lease deals then. I've never paid for a car as much as that car has depreciated. The reason you usually can't buy outright as cheaply as a finance deal is that it isn't a level playing field. Aside from the incentives given and bulk buying power of finance houses, finance providers offset the tax position to make it cheaper.

Take my current car as an example. I will pay £29,000 over 4 years and 60,000 miles, including £450/yr RFL. For it to be better off paying cash for the car, I would have get absolutely zero return for my £65,000 cash...AND see a 500bhp Alfa Romeo hold 60% of it's value after 4 years and 60,000.
As I've said twice - each to their own
I don't like PCP, have the cash and am quite happy use it
Off to search C63 estates cool

BlackPrince

1,271 posts

170 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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breadvan said:
It doesn’t matter whether your Asian or not, you just can’t say that!

You must call it the ‘Mercedes Sport Grill’. Porsche had a hissy about the word Panamerica.
biggrin
I've actually only ever seen one Rolls Royce Wraith in so-called drug dealer spec, and I was just being a bit cheeky about him being in street pharmaceuticals, lets be real he's probably in IT :P

And I didn't know Porsche had a hissy about that - bit strange considering IIRC the grille is named after a famous race from the 1950s?

playalistic

2,269 posts

165 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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It's also known as the panamericana, not panamerica. Further disambiguating.

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
New Giulia Quadrifoglio 2.9 V6 BiTurbo Quadrifoglio 4dr Auto
Build 2
Offer received on 13 March 2019
Total RRP
£63,500
PCP Finance
carwow offer
£58,319
You save
£5,181 (8.2%)
Representative APR 3.9%
Cash
carwow offer
£53,701
You save
£9,799 (15.4%)

PCP is not always cheaper.
My figures are lease. And going to one provider is a fools folly.

But even using those figures, do you think that car in 4 years time, with 60,000 miles on the clock will be worth £26,701? Would you voluntarily choose to take the risk? I don't think there is a cat in hells chance that a 4yr old, 60,000 mile Alfa will be worth 50% of it's purchase price.

When I got mine, the max discount was 4%.

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
New Giulia Quadrifoglio 2.9 V6 BiTurbo Quadrifoglio 4dr Auto
Build 2
Offer received on 13 March 2019
Total RRP
£63,500
PCP Finance
carwow offer
£58,319
You save
£5,181 (8.2%)
Representative APR 3.9%
Cash
carwow offer
£53,701
You save
£9,799 (15.4%)

PCP is not always cheaper.
And if you use today's figures:



You'd have to be very confident your £54,000 Alfa Romeo will be worth £30,000 in 4 years.... And have nowhere you can get a return on you £54,000 cash....!

TheStigsWeeBrother

344 posts

66 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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Ares said:
TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
New Giulia Quadrifoglio 2.9 V6 BiTurbo Quadrifoglio 4dr Auto
Build 2
Offer received on 13 March 2019
Total RRP
£63,500
PCP Finance
carwow offer
£58,319
You save
£5,181 (8.2%)
Representative APR 3.9%
Cash
carwow offer
£53,701
You save
£9,799 (15.4%)

PCP is not always cheaper.
My figures are lease. And going to one provider is a fools folly.

But even using those figures, do you think that car in 4 years time, with 60,000 miles on the clock will be worth £26,701? Would you voluntarily choose to take the risk? I don't think there is a cat in hells chance that a 4yr old, 60,000 mile Alfa will be worth 50% of it's purchase price.

When I got mine, the max discount was 4%.
MikeyK was talking about PCP and I was just showing an example of how PCP is not always cheapest.
Some people want to own their cars some are happy to rent both are fine with me.

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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TheStigsWeeBrother said:
MikeyK was talking about PCP and I was just showing an example of how PCP is not always cheapest.
Some people want to own their cars some are happy to rent both are fine with me.
I didn't say it was always the cheapest, just that it wasn't always more expensive.

Some people manage to avoid using immature inflammatory phrases like 'rent' when talking about long-term finance agreements. Its' as pathetic as people who call Porsches, Beetles etc.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

235 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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And some people - shock and horror - BUY their cars with PCP.

I'm sure one of the reasons people soil themselves over car financing on this forum is because they just plain old don't understand how the various options work. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen people on here not understand the difference between PCH and PCP.

TheStigsWeeBrother

344 posts

66 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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Ares said:
I didn't say it was always the cheapest, just that it wasn't always more expensive.

Some people manage to avoid using immature inflammatory phrases like 'rent' when talking about long-term finance agreements. Its' as pathetic as people who call Porsches, Beetles etc.
why use "long term finance agreement" when everyone knows rent?

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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TheStigsWeeBrother said:
why use "long term finance agreement" when everyone knows rent?
Why use rent when it's a PCP?
Why use rent when it's a lease?
Why use rent when legally it isn't renting?

mikey k

13,011 posts

217 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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TheStigsWeeBrother

344 posts

66 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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Ares said:
TheStigsWeeBrother said:
why use "long term finance agreement" when everyone knows rent?
Why use rent when it's a PCP?
Why use rent when it's a lease?
Why use rent when legally it isn't renting?
Personal Contract Hire (PCH) is a type of long-term RENTAL that will suit you if you're not looking to buy the car at the end of your contract and won't need to change the car before the end of the contract. You lease the car for an agreed period of time by making fixed monthly payments.13 Dec 2016

HTH. wink

TheStigsWeeBrother

344 posts

66 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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Ares said:
TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
New Giulia Quadrifoglio 2.9 V6 BiTurbo Quadrifoglio 4dr Auto
Build 2
Offer received on 13 March 2019
Total RRP
£63,500
PCP Finance
carwow offer
£58,319
You save
£5,181 (8.2%)
Representative APR 3.9%
Cash
carwow offer
£53,701
You save
£9,799 (15.4%)

PCP is not always cheaper.
And if you use today's figures:



You'd have to be very confident your £54,000 Alfa Romeo will be worth £30,000 in 4 years.... And have nowhere you can get a return on you £54,000 cash....!
Why do you keep confusing PCP with PCH?
And you own example uses the word RENTAL. wink

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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mikey k said:
Ares said:
mikey k said:
Yes over 90% of new cars are PCP deals.
I and our business are one of the rare exceptions.
We don't because bank rates are crap for cash and it saves paying ANY interest, inflated purchase prices and being locked in to mileage, term and service.
We do bank transfers and haggle.
Doing the sums my M140i has cost me ~£325/month for 3 years and unlimited mileage (now done 41k miles) and that includes service and tyres.
I had PCP quotes at the time, they were all well over £420/month including a £13k "deposit" from the old car.
Age old moral - if you have cash use it and don't pay inflated prices or interest. Be it a car at TV or anything.
£420/mth for a 140i?? PLUS £13k??

Jeez, they saw you coming. My colleagues wife got into one in Jan '17. She pays a fiver under £300/mth.

We got offered one by BMW over the weekend at £267/mth with £800 upfront - 140i Shadow Edition.

You were saying about paying inflated prices?
Four points
1) I didn't go PCP
2) its business use, I doubt either of the above are
3) its high annual mileage, you don't mention that
4) your deal wasn't around 3 years ago
so not a great comparison
Also the deal you got offered at the weekend is on a pre reg stock car that is a run out model just ending production.
wink

Beyond semantics my original point was there is ALWAYS a cost to borrowing money.
Each person should reconcile that to their own circumstances.
Many like a monthly payment for something they could never buy outright.
I personal hate debt for the above reason, but that's just me.
Never seen a PCP for my circumstances that I couldn't do cheaper with out right purchase.
Please make it stop.

Please.

Please.

Please.

Still it’s been a few weeks I suppose .......

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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Rawwr said:
st4 said:
Rawwr said:
GS300h is bought by paedophiles.
Troll level expert.
Sorry, I thought we were taking it in turns to say stupid sh*t.
Back out now squire.

You’ll lose by some margin I guarantee it.

Squarely in drag down to own level and triumph by dint of greater experience territory

wink


Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Ares said:
TheStigsWeeBrother said:
why use "long term finance agreement" when everyone knows rent?
Why use rent when it's a PCP?
Why use rent when it's a lease?
Why use rent when legally it isn't renting?
Personal Contract Hire (PCH) is a type of long-term RENTAL that will suit you if you're not looking to buy the car at the end of your contract and won't need to change the car before the end of the contract. You lease the car for an agreed period of time by making fixed monthly payments.13 Dec 2016

HTH. wink
But you keep talking PCP.

To help you out:

A rental agreement provides for a contract of a short period (often 30 days) that is automatically renewed at the end of that period unless either party ends it by giving written notice.
A lease agreement has a set term, such as a year, 2 years, 3 years, etc. Unlike a rental agreement, when a lease expires it does not automatically renew itself.


Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Why do you keep confusing PCP with PCH?
And you own example uses the word RENTAL. wink
For the first payment. But it is a lease contract.

TheStigsWeeBrother

344 posts

66 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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Ares said:
TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Why do you keep confusing PCP with PCH?
And you own example uses the word RENTAL. wink
For the first payment. But it is a lease contract.
in your example the first rental is for 3 months and you just said above that a rental was for 30 days.
Which is it?

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Ares said:
TheStigsWeeBrother said:
Why do you keep confusing PCP with PCH?
And you own example uses the word RENTAL. wink
For the first payment. But it is a lease contract.
in your example the first rental is for 3 months and you just said above that a rental was for 30 days.
Which is it?
I'll let you read it again wink