RE: Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe: UK drive
Discussion
Brian Fallon said:
On paper, the RS5 makes more sense. The Audi has 4 wheel drive, gets better mileage, emits less CO2 and costs less. Whether the Audi is better on the road or whether the Merc is worth the extra £10-12,000 is another question.
The chap on Carwow does seem to rare the RS4 (same V6 engine) extremely highly and it’s acceleration seems to be notably ahead of Audi’s claims. However V6 vs V8 plus more power as std.
st4 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Ah I see.... £12k is what you value them at? The world does not revolve between your ears..
And paying £27k for a ten year old C class isn’t a good move just because that’s what the advertised price is Edited by irish boy on Sunday 10th March 20:54
st4 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Would love to find an unmolested 10 year old C63 for £10-12k. Can you post some ads please...?
I’m not the one who wants one. You are. Best get looking if you want one.There are many cars I would rather drive.
st4 said:
Brooking10 said:
Still struggling with the difference between facts and opinion I see 
RCF is a belting engine but much less involving a drive than the C63 and M4 IMO, plus whilst well built the interior is dull and the tech distinctly last generation.
RS5 not my cup of tea but I can see the attraction.
I am not so sure it will be a much less involving drive - it will weigh about the same - and with the fun of a naturally aspirated engine will be a car you would have to work with more to get the most out of it - that's what makes it fun and involving. I like the interior and the digital dials in the RCF etc aren't too off the pace but this is undeniably newer tech. It's also a little bit cheaper which never hurts. £80k is getting on a bit, despite the engine etc. A C63 is not a sports car, it won't involve like an Elise - and neither will an RCF. I wouldn't want an RS5 either or an M4 although Id' expect both of them to outpace an RCF on a twisty route - and that would be ok by me. RCF is a belting engine but much less involving a drive than the C63 and M4 IMO, plus whilst well built the interior is dull and the tech distinctly last generation.
RS5 not my cup of tea but I can see the attraction.
Edited by st4 on Saturday 9th March 10:13
Oh and you think Lexus' aren't bought on tick?
GroundEffect said:
"Weigh about the same" - the biggest criticism of the RCF is that it's weight vs torque ratio is terrible vs the force-inducted competition. It's >200kg more than an M4 Competition Pack. That's a lot.
Oh and you think Lexus' aren't bought on tick?
Weighs about the same as a c63 and RS5. An RS5 is such a comically bland car it cannot compare to the Lexus. Oh and you think Lexus' aren't bought on tick?
Power is the function of torque and rpm. Power is what actually matters. The power to weight cannot be too dissimilar. Part of the fun of a naturally aspirated engine is having to work the car to make the power.
Put it this way. I walked into an MB dealer and all the guy did was talk about monthlies. The Lexus place it was the price. Both places I explained I buy with cash - the MB salesman seemed shocked. The Lexus dude didn’t. Also on the Lexus forums there’s much less talk of PCP rates etc, in the Merc one there seemed a lot more. I suspect relatively more Mercs are bought on agility finance. Certainly MB pushes it
more than Toyota UK. I speak from experience of dealerships and owning both. Lexus are amazing compared to Mercedes.
st4 said:
GroundEffect said:
"Weigh about the same" - the biggest criticism of the RCF is that it's weight vs torque ratio is terrible vs the force-inducted competition. It's >200kg more than an M4 Competition Pack. That's a lot.
Oh and you think Lexus' aren't bought on tick?
Weighs about the same as a c63 and RS5. An RS5 is such a comically bland car it cannot compare to the Lexus. Oh and you think Lexus' aren't bought on tick?
st4 said:
Power is the function of torque and rpm. Power is what actually matters. The power to weight cannot be too dissimilar. Part of the fun of a naturally aspirated engine is having to work the car to make the power.
Christ not this again. If all you do is have your engine at a constant set point all day then sure, Power is what matters.st4 said:
Put it this way. I walked into an MB dealer and all the guy did was talk about monthlies. The Lexus place it was the price. Both places I explained I buy with cash - the MB salesman seemed shocked. The Lexus dude didn’t. Also on the Lexus forums there’s much less talk of PCP rates etc, in the Merc one there seemed a lot more. I suspect relatively more Mercs are bought on agility finance. Certainly MB pushes it
more than Toyota UK.
What a strange thing to even think about or have it matter, at all. more than Toyota UK.
Missed the party on the Lexus is life debate, I’ll read up on that later.
My god, that is just right isn’t it, the closest a modern car could get to a hotrod, look at that front, my neighbors just got a pre facelift one, in all black and the more I see it, the more I fall in love with it, Mercs really have that segment nailed don’t they.
The problem is though, and I don’t know what it is, I’d still have an M4 over this despite the dated infotainment and poor engine note. There’s something that’s just too ‘bradford’ about it for me.....at my young age (25), I feel like I’d be just another ‘drug dealer’ that some of you grumpy old men label these cars as, and despite me saying it’s ‘bradford’ like and deciding against having one in an ideal universe.
Could that be the most contradictory statement made in the history of PH? Maybe.
I don’t know, I feel like the M4 is more of an enthusiasts car, it’s more of a challenge, I’ve driven both, the C63 felt easy to drive fast, foot down and go, just don’t floor it round a bend. The M4 kicked its back out while going in a straight line when changing from 1st to 2nd, perhaps it’s the ferocity of the gearbox that has me hooked?
Who cares anyway, I can’t afford either for the foreseeable future!
My god, that is just right isn’t it, the closest a modern car could get to a hotrod, look at that front, my neighbors just got a pre facelift one, in all black and the more I see it, the more I fall in love with it, Mercs really have that segment nailed don’t they.
The problem is though, and I don’t know what it is, I’d still have an M4 over this despite the dated infotainment and poor engine note. There’s something that’s just too ‘bradford’ about it for me.....at my young age (25), I feel like I’d be just another ‘drug dealer’ that some of you grumpy old men label these cars as, and despite me saying it’s ‘bradford’ like and deciding against having one in an ideal universe.
Could that be the most contradictory statement made in the history of PH? Maybe.
I don’t know, I feel like the M4 is more of an enthusiasts car, it’s more of a challenge, I’ve driven both, the C63 felt easy to drive fast, foot down and go, just don’t floor it round a bend. The M4 kicked its back out while going in a straight line when changing from 1st to 2nd, perhaps it’s the ferocity of the gearbox that has me hooked?
Who cares anyway, I can’t afford either for the foreseeable future!
Chestrockwell said:
Missed the party on the Lexus is life debate, I’ll read up on that later.
My god, that is just right isn’t it, the closest a modern car could get to a hotrod, look at that front, my neighbors just got a pre facelift one, in all black and the more I see it, the more I fall in love with it, Mercs really have that segment nailed don’t they.
The problem is though, and I don’t know what it is, I’d still have an M4 over this despite the dated infotainment and poor engine note. There’s something that’s just too ‘bradford’ about it for me.....at my young age (25), I feel like I’d be just another ‘drug dealer’ that some of you grumpy old men label these cars as, and despite me saying it’s ‘bradford’ like and deciding against having one in an ideal universe.
Could that be the most contradictory statement made in the history of PH? Maybe.
I don’t know, I feel like the M4 is more of an enthusiasts car, it’s more of a challenge, I’ve driven both, the C63 felt easy to drive fast, foot down and go, just don’t floor it round a bend. The M4 kicked its back out while going in a straight line when changing from 1st to 2nd, perhaps it’s the ferocity of the gearbox that has me hooked?
Who cares anyway, I can’t afford either for the foreseeable future!
Where do you live that the drug dealers are driving C63S'? Where I'm currently living (Stratford, London) the (largely Asian, and I'm Asian so I can say that) drug dealers drive RR Wraiths with blacked-out windows! :P My god, that is just right isn’t it, the closest a modern car could get to a hotrod, look at that front, my neighbors just got a pre facelift one, in all black and the more I see it, the more I fall in love with it, Mercs really have that segment nailed don’t they.
The problem is though, and I don’t know what it is, I’d still have an M4 over this despite the dated infotainment and poor engine note. There’s something that’s just too ‘bradford’ about it for me.....at my young age (25), I feel like I’d be just another ‘drug dealer’ that some of you grumpy old men label these cars as, and despite me saying it’s ‘bradford’ like and deciding against having one in an ideal universe.
Could that be the most contradictory statement made in the history of PH? Maybe.
I don’t know, I feel like the M4 is more of an enthusiasts car, it’s more of a challenge, I’ve driven both, the C63 felt easy to drive fast, foot down and go, just don’t floor it round a bend. The M4 kicked its back out while going in a straight line when changing from 1st to 2nd, perhaps it’s the ferocity of the gearbox that has me hooked?
Who cares anyway, I can’t afford either for the foreseeable future!
I do love the new Panamerica grille making its way down to non-GTR Mercedes, though I do wonder if it devalues that look a bit to have it on a 'lowly' C63.
oh, and I hate the polished/silver lip on all of Mercedes black wheels. BMW does it much better where the whole wheel is entirely black
st4 said:
Weighs about the same as a c63 and RS5. An RS5 is such a comically bland car it cannot compare to the Lexus.
Power is the function of torque and rpm. Power is what actually matters. The power to weight cannot be too dissimilar. Part of the fun of a naturally aspirated engine is having to work the car to make the power.
Put it this way. I walked into an MB dealer and all the guy did was talk about monthlies. The Lexus place it was the price. Both places I explained I buy with cash - the MB salesman seemed shocked. The Lexus dude didn’t. Also on the Lexus forums there’s much less talk of PCP rates etc, in the Merc one there seemed a lot more. I suspect relatively more Mercs are bought on agility finance. Certainly MB pushes it
more than Toyota UK. I speak from experience of dealerships and owning both. Lexus are amazing compared to Mercedes.
https://youtu.be/OL1e3ZGd-_Power is the function of torque and rpm. Power is what actually matters. The power to weight cannot be too dissimilar. Part of the fun of a naturally aspirated engine is having to work the car to make the power.
Put it this way. I walked into an MB dealer and all the guy did was talk about monthlies. The Lexus place it was the price. Both places I explained I buy with cash - the MB salesman seemed shocked. The Lexus dude didn’t. Also on the Lexus forums there’s much less talk of PCP rates etc, in the Merc one there seemed a lot more. I suspect relatively more Mercs are bought on agility finance. Certainly MB pushes it
more than Toyota UK. I speak from experience of dealerships and owning both. Lexus are amazing compared to Mercedes.
I suggest you watch this re the power to weight issue and real life driving.
As for which is better who cares it’s choice if you love/would rather the Lexus great if not that’s great too.
As for PCP I couldn’t care less how someone buys a car. If someone does care that’s fine too but don’t force views onto others.
st4 said:
irish boy said:
they are reliable
Are you on smack? Edited by irish boy on Sunday 10th March 20:54
BlackPrince said:
oh, and I hate the polished/silver lip on all of Mercedes black wheels. BMW does it much better where the whole wheel is entirely black
I'm the opposite and I don't like entirely black wheels, and I think that the polished/silver lip offers a fairly decent compromise. For me though all black wheels should be banned because they always look pony to my eyes. The wheels can make or break the way a car looks and black wheels just blend into the tyre and you can't see any detail of the wheel. Whoever thought that black wheels were a good idea needs a good kick in the teeth for me!
f1ten said:
They do look and sound good. Not driven the facelift yet but I’m sorry it just feels mad this is £80k with a tiny amount of spec added. I just don’t think it’s worth that price.
Based on previous experience you should be able to walk out of a showroom having paid sub £70k for one of these.Brooking10 said:
f1ten said:
They do look and sound good. Not driven the facelift yet but I’m sorry it just feels mad this is £80k with a tiny amount of spec added. I just don’t think it’s worth that price.
Based on previous experience you should be able to walk out of a showroom having paid sub £70k for one of these.Welshbeef said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Nice car and i can see why it reviews well. sadly in the UK this type of AMG in particular is driven by too many tools the image is appallingly bad.
Question is how can they buy such a pricy car in the first place?I’ve not seen many / any C63 drivers tooling about in real life (yes YT offers countless examples but I don’t see any of it).
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