RE: Porsche 911 (992) Carrera S Cabriolet: Driven

[Ares]

yonex said:

st4 said:

I don’t agree. Some might use them day to day but the bulk of them will be second cars. You see this in the classifieds that the bulk of them don’t cover a major milliage - bar the odd exception.

You might not, but the 911 is an everything car. The new Carrera S starts at £93K, a Vogue RR starts at £83K, the SE £90K

These are not unobtainable vehicles. Hence the volumes sold.

Because £90k/£100k is no longer the preserve of the rich.....!

[st4]

Ares said:

Because £90k/£100k is no longer the preserve of the rich.....!

I doubt you'll see one outside your local foodbank

[st4]

Ares said:

Again, you are wrong about everything you've written there. But keep enjoying the Lexus.

No am I not. The 3 series is a top ten seller in Britain, the 911 isn't- because it is a very expensive car that relatively few can afford even using PCP etc.

I enjoy the Lexus immensely. It's an amazing car and I couldn't think of a car I would rather drive, other than maybe a new LS500h or RCF if I am feeling a bit racy.

[Ares]

st4 said:

Ares said:

Because £90k/£100k is no longer the preserve of the rich.....!

I doubt you'll see one outside your local foodbank

Is that your barometer?

[Ares]

st4 said:

Ares said:

Again, you are wrong about everything you've written there. But keep enjoying the Lexus.

No am I not. The 3 series is a top ten seller in Britain, the 911 isn't- because it is a very expensive car that relatively few can afford even using PCP etc.

I enjoy the Lexus immensely. It's an amazing car and I couldn't think of a car I would rather drive, other than maybe a new LS500h or RCF if I am feeling a bit racy.

Actually, the 3-series isn't a top ten seller. The Ford Fiesta is the best seller, does that mean everything more expensive than a Fiesta is therefore only bought by the rich?

And as the 911 sells 18,000 units per year and the your beloved Lexus IS only sells 5000, does that mean it's for the richer? Do people not buy it because they can't afford it? Or just that it's crap?

And I think you may have mentioned you enjoy your Lexus immensely before... As you say, you love it because it is pleasant to drive. If being 'pleasant to drive'

[st4]

Ares said:

Actually, the 3-series isn't a top ten seller. The Ford Fiesta is the best seller, does that mean everything more expensive than a Fiesta is therefore only bought by the rich?

And as the 911 sells 18,000 units per year and the your beloved Lexus IS only sells 5000, does that mean it's for the richer? Do people not buy it because they can't afford it? Or just that it's crap?

And I think you may have mentioned you enjoy your Lexus immensely before... As you say, you love it because it is pleasant to drive. If being 'pleasant to drive'

No, Lexus drivers are discerning and forward thinking - hence they don’t buy diesel dinosaurs thinking they might save a fiver a week. I would say Lexus IS a premium offering over Toyota and a new Lexus isn’t going to be bought by a poor/low income person.

[The Surveyor]

st4 said:

No am I not. The 3 series is a top ten seller in Britain, the 911 isn't- because it is a very expensive car that relatively few can afford even using PCP etc.

…...

Are you suggesting a BMW 3 series (circa £40k to buy depending on spec) is a cheap car for the working man then? That along with the C class and Audi's we see everywhere? The reality is that just about all new cars are sold on some kind of finance, a few hundred quid a month difference in priorities doesn't define the line between rich and poor, unless you have a agenda to see the many as the few.

With regard to the 992 Cab, I'm sure it's great but I just can't get over the looks. For me a 911 has to have the signature curve to the rear quarter window as that makes the whole design much more cohesive. When that's lost on the can and targa, they just look dumpy IMHO. A fairly standard 992 Carrera S couple would be a joy.

[Ares]

st4 said:

No, Lexus drivers are discerning and forward thinking - hence they don’t buy diesel dinosaurs thinking they might save a fiver a week. I would say Lexus IS a premium offering over Toyota and a new Lexus isn’t going to be bought by a poor/low income person.

You ARE Alan Partridge

[st4]

The Surveyor said:

Are you suggesting a BMW 3 series (circa £40k to buy depending on spec) is a cheap car for the working man then? That along with the C class and Audi's we see everywhere? The reality is that just about all new cars are sold on some kind of finance, a few hundred quid a month difference in priorities doesn't define the line between rich and poor, unless you have a agenda to see the many as the few.

With regard to the 992 Cab, I'm sure it's great but I just can't get over the looks. For me a 911 has to have the signature curve to the rear quarter window as that makes the whole design much more cohesive. When that's lost on the can and targa, they just look dumpy IMHO. A fairly standard 992 Carrera S couple would be a joy.

No - no new car is. But a fiesta/focus/Astra is a mainstream choice. A PCP 3 series a misguided posers choice.

A Lexus. A quality purchase that to few sadly make

[GranCab]

st4 said:

No - no new car is. But a fiesta/focus/Astra is a mainstream choice. A PCP 3 series a misguided posers choice.

A Lexus. A quality purchase that to few sadly make

Lexus .. a posh Toyota for deluded snobs .. if Hyacinth Bouquet's henpecked husband drove a car today - he'd drive a Lexus.

[Leithen]

This whole thread has gone silly.

[st4]

GranCab said:

Lexus .. a posh Toyota for deluded snobs .. if Hyacinth Bouquet's henpecked husband drove a car today - he'd drive a Lexus.

I doubt it - more like a 520d or a E220cdi...or an Audi. A Skoda for deluded snobs.

[st4]

anonymous said:

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Hence all the C63's that are on the roads, never mind the 320d's etc...

[anonymous-user]

st4 said:

I doubt it - more like a 520d or a E220cdi...or an Audi. A Skoda for deluded snobs.

You think 'deluded snobs' by Skodas?

Really? How very strange.

[kbf1981]

yonex said:

st4 said:

No I think you’re being a putz. £100k, despite what you think, is a lot of money that very very few can afford to spend on a car that’s more than likely in addition to the main household car. It’s a luxury option. As you’ve been told £30k is deemed a good salary, and this car costs more than three times this. It’s why you don’t see 911s all that often out on the roads.

You're kidding.

911's are quite common?

They are not common. I have seen zero today, other than my neighbors, but i live in an affluent estate, so appreciate that's different from the norm. On my drive to work, I saw none. All day through the day, I've seen none. I work in the Greater Manchester area (but not city centre). Here we have most job adverts at min wage, most people aged 20-35 are on £20k-ish I'd guess.

I think a lot of people from London assume (like all Londoners) the world is London.........

The number of 911's sold are a spec of dust compared to the number of Ford Focus's sold. Plus, the vast majority of people buy their cars second hand, and even being a buyer of new cars is the minority.

[kbf1981]

PGNSagaris said:

Fair price for the 911, certainly far better value than it was thirty years ago.

The 992 looks amazing in convertible form. The ultimate daily...

Again, imagination...

"1973 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA RS 2.7 TOURING SPECIFICATIONS: Price when new $14,000"

What is $14,000 in today's money (the above being 1973)? $79,000, or about £60k. 911's are more expensive now than they used to be.

Sources:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/1973-porsche-911-c...
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

[Ares]

st4 said:

No - no new car is. But a fiesta/focus/Astra is a mainstream choice. A PCP 3 series a misguided posers choice.

A Lexus. A quality purchase that to few sadly make

again....

Love it. A 3-series, that is categorically better, sells more due to buyers being misguided, and the 'superior' Lexus has st sales because consumers are stupid...nothing to do with the fact it is dull dull dull dull.

Keep going Alan, this is comedy gold.

[Ares]

kbf1981 said:

PGNSagaris said:

Fair price for the 911, certainly far better value than it was thirty years ago.

The 992 looks amazing in convertible form. The ultimate daily...

Again, imagination...

"1973 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA RS 2.7 TOURING SPECIFICATIONS: Price when new $14,000"

What is $14,000 in today's money (the above being 1973)? $79,000, or about £60k. 911's are more expensive now than they used to be.

Sources:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/1973-porsche-911-c...
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

With annual inflation of 4.8%, your $14,000 is today just under $130,000, which is a smidge over £100,000.

[Ares]

anonymous said:

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And there is a fairly obvious point that every second hand car was a new car, whilst not every new car becomes a second hand car.

[Ares]

kbf1981 said:

They are not common. I have seen zero today, other than my neighbors, but i live in an affluent estate, so appreciate that's different from the norm. On my drive to work, I saw none. All day through the day, I've seen none. I work in the Greater Manchester area (but not city centre). Here we have most job adverts at min wage, most people aged 20-35 are on £20k-ish I'd guess.

I think a lot of people from London assume (like all Londoners) the world is London.........

The number of 911's sold are a spec of dust compared to the number of Ford Focus's sold. Plus, the vast majority of people buy their cars second hand, and even being a buyer of new cars is the minority.

You have to try really hard not to see a 911 in Central Manchester. In fact, walk up King Street and round Spring Gardens and you'll be lucky not to see a 911 parked up.

For reference, 911s outsold BMW M3s by 4:1 last year, and 3:1 the year before.