RE: Evoluto's 'peak analogue' Ferrari 348
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those front wheel arches just bring the Mattig mk2 Astra to mind, from the Max Power days. Is it just me?
It's a shame more manufacturers aren't cottoning on to this trend. ie a more analogue lightweight experience. Alpine are almost there, but it's still turbo/ flappy paddle. Porsche get it with the GT3 Touring, but it is both unobtainable and expensive. Aston just seem to think hypercars at hypercar prices are the way forward, recognising they might stick a manual gearbox in the Vantage. Ferrari haven't sold a manual in years, and nor have Lamborghini.
Emissions legislation makes normally aspirated an issue, and maybe the PH crowd aren't big enough in the scheme of things to influence the outcome. Go and buy a niche manufacturer if that's what you want in other words. But I can't help think if a major manufacturer came up with a 1000-1300kg, mid engined, naturally aspirated, manual car, with 400-500bhp they'd have a hit on their hands. Come on Ferrari, make a (proper) Dino! The future can't be just electric......
Emissions legislation makes normally aspirated an issue, and maybe the PH crowd aren't big enough in the scheme of things to influence the outcome. Go and buy a niche manufacturer if that's what you want in other words. But I can't help think if a major manufacturer came up with a 1000-1300kg, mid engined, naturally aspirated, manual car, with 400-500bhp they'd have a hit on their hands. Come on Ferrari, make a (proper) Dino! The future can't be just electric......
Robert-nszl1 said:
It's a shame more manufacturers aren't cottoning on to this trend. ie a more analogue lightweight experience. Alpine are almost there, but it's still turbo/ flappy paddle. Porsche get it with the GT3 Touring, but it is both unobtainable and expensive. Aston just seem to think hypercars at hypercar prices are the way forward, recognising they might stick a manual gearbox in the Vantage. Ferrari haven't sold a manual in years, and nor have Lamborghini.
Emissions legislation makes normally aspirated an issue, and maybe the PH crowd aren't big enough in the scheme of things to influence the outcome. Go and buy a niche manufacturer if that's what you want in other words. But I can't help think if a major manufacturer came up with a 1000-1300kg, mid engined, naturally aspirated, manual car, with 400-500bhp they'd have a hit on their hands. Come on Ferrari, make a (proper) Dino! The future can't be just electric......
Isn't the issue primarily that there just isn't a market for it? When both were offered, the manuals plummeted in popularity. Even with modern cars, manuals are dwarfed by DSG/PDK etc. As the autos get ever better and more and more technically superior to the manuals in terms of performance, the manual becomes a real niche choice - not helped by a distinct lack of evolution of manual boxes.Emissions legislation makes normally aspirated an issue, and maybe the PH crowd aren't big enough in the scheme of things to influence the outcome. Go and buy a niche manufacturer if that's what you want in other words. But I can't help think if a major manufacturer came up with a 1000-1300kg, mid engined, naturally aspirated, manual car, with 400-500bhp they'd have a hit on their hands. Come on Ferrari, make a (proper) Dino! The future can't be just electric......
Even in the US where they love a manual gearbox in performance cars, only around a third of those cars are manual, and decreasing. Manuals are outperformed in every measurable metric - the only reason to choose a manual now is a sense of emotive connectivity, for some that will be enough, but a tiny minority of new car buyers.
cookie1600 said:
Oooooooof! Brave!
Robert-nszl1 said:
It's a shame more manufacturers aren't cottoning on to this trend. ie a more analogue lightweight experience. Alpine are almost there, but it's still turbo/ flappy paddle. Porsche get it with the GT3 Touring, but it is both unobtainable and expensive. Aston just seem to think hypercars at hypercar prices are the way forward, recognising they might stick a manual gearbox in the Vantage. Ferrari haven't sold a manual in years, and nor have Lamborghini.
Emissions legislation makes normally aspirated an issue, and maybe the PH crowd aren't big enough in the scheme of things to influence the outcome. Go and buy a niche manufacturer if that's what you want in other words. But I can't help think if a major manufacturer came up with a 1000-1300kg, mid engined, naturally aspirated, manual car, with 400-500bhp they'd have a hit on their hands. Come on Ferrari, make a (proper) Dino! The future can't be just electric......
I can’t think of any modern Porsche, in fact any Porsche other than a 997.1/2 GT3 which takes my fancy. Ferrari always will be a halo car for me and the 328-355 era IMO is the peak of the classics, before the recent masterpieces 458 etc which I regard as a high point in modern supercar design, with the correct engine configuration Emissions legislation makes normally aspirated an issue, and maybe the PH crowd aren't big enough in the scheme of things to influence the outcome. Go and buy a niche manufacturer if that's what you want in other words. But I can't help think if a major manufacturer came up with a 1000-1300kg, mid engined, naturally aspirated, manual car, with 400-500bhp they'd have a hit on their hands. Come on Ferrari, make a (proper) Dino! The future can't be just electric......
A modern Dino would be fantastic but I can’t help think that the market for anything other than an SUV isn’t on the design shortlist?
cookie1600 said:
I think if I was going to the expense to pull a classic Ferrari apart, I'd like to go this route (though I don't have the expertise to even contemplate how):
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-proj...
Forgive me, but that looks a dogs dinner, and probably drives like one too.https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-proj...
donteatpeople said:
If you can accept supercharging it sounds like you're describing an Exige.
Not an issue for most I'm sure, but I struggle to fit in an Exige! I also take the point of the other poster regarding the fact most historically have bought automatic where it was offered. But that was when manual was still an alternative, whereas now it just isn't. The poster that suggested lesser 911s is forgetting they are now turbo charged, and GT4s are impossible to get hold of (new, when released). I do recognise the people on here that espouse a manual gearbox etc may just be too small in number for the manufacturers to worry about. That said whatever the shortcomings of this modified Ferrari, it and the like are filing a gap that we should be happy to see filled.
Edited by Robert-nszl1 on Wednesday 13th March 07:54
I like the lights and challenge grill, maybe even the 288 GTO rear vents and the impractical rear bumper but the rest looks awful :-(
They should do what this chap in US did to get a 610BHP 348 - Ferrari tuning done right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KajL7klumA
I actually think the front of the 348 looks better than a 355 and the side rakes are unmistakably "Ferrari". However, I couldnt resist changing the wheels for 355 ones :-)
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They should do what this chap in US did to get a 610BHP 348 - Ferrari tuning done right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KajL7klumA
I actually think the front of the 348 looks better than a 355 and the side rakes are unmistakably "Ferrari". However, I couldnt resist changing the wheels for 355 ones :-)
|https://thumbsnap.com/SDP6qzkC[/url]|https://thumbsnap.com/G7IJNFlY[/url][url]And now I've found this: https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-proj...
soad said:
I recall 355 sounding especially good...
Yes, especially with a Capristo exhaust.www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSK1i5NSFk
When I started reading the article, I thought I could like this idea, the rear render I think looks brilliant, but the front...... something just doesn't look right, and as others have said, visually this has every chance of looking like a Modded 355/MR2 which is a shame as in theory, I thought it should be brilliant.
yonex said:
ATS 570HP
... but that looks spot on for a car that's design I never took too. Subtle, as in just enough.If I was in the market for a restomod Ferrari and I heard things like in the future we might might use composites then I'd be seriously worried.
When competing with outfits like Eagle and Singer conjuring up images of fibreglass body filler and leepu and that cockney bloke under the arches would have me running a mile.
And let's not kid ourselves that this thing will be cheap. There wont be change from £300k and it will perform nowhere near a 458 Speciale.
Why not 'just' fit a 355 with speciale engine and running gear, a few subtle interior and exterior tweaks and you'd have an awesome car.
When competing with outfits like Eagle and Singer conjuring up images of fibreglass body filler and leepu and that cockney bloke under the arches would have me running a mile.
And let's not kid ourselves that this thing will be cheap. There wont be change from £300k and it will perform nowhere near a 458 Speciale.
Why not 'just' fit a 355 with speciale engine and running gear, a few subtle interior and exterior tweaks and you'd have an awesome car.
ChocolateFrog said:
If I was in the market for a restomod Ferrari and I heard things like in the future we might might use composites then I'd be seriously worried.
When competing with outfits like Eagle and Singer conjuring up images of fibreglass body filler and leepu and that cockney bloke under the arches would have me running a mile.
When I read about the composites it conjured up images of Singer, who use composite wings, bonnet and bumper and engine cover on their cars. When competing with outfits like Eagle and Singer conjuring up images of fibreglass body filler and leepu and that cockney bloke under the arches would have me running a mile.
That's my point. The article makes it sound like they don't have the expertise to do such things.
"It could provide us with the ideas for following projects, which might use more exotic materials such as carbon composites.”
Is CF exotic anymore? My 10 year old bike is made almost exclusively of the stuff.
"It could provide us with the ideas for following projects, which might use more exotic materials such as carbon composites.”
Is CF exotic anymore? My 10 year old bike is made almost exclusively of the stuff.
Edited by ChocolateFrog on Wednesday 13th March 12:28
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