RE: Range Rover Evoque P250: Driven

RE: Range Rover Evoque P250: Driven

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M4CK 1

266 posts

66 months

Friday 15th March
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JonnyVTEC said:
Yeah sorry, sarcasm radar needs fixing

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Sorry
My bad!!

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st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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M4CK 1 said:
Also the interior is so much nicer. Quality and the looks is so much better.
Interior space might not be the best but if that's a concern get a disco sport.
Quality. An evoque. Are you kidding. Really. Lexus trumps everyone for quality.

If you’re serious about off roading you buy a Landcruiser or big JLR car not this fake tan mums PCP run around.

Brooking10

4,278 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Burwood said:
The answer lies in the terrible efficiency. It’s not new.

As an aside LR have form with bullst. They will use BMW V8s soon. But in these pages, LR staff and fan boys claim it’s their engine. It’s not. It’s the same Aston/Merc borrow and tune.
It’s well known that RRs will soon use the BMW sourced V8

It’s also well known that unsurprisingly manufacturers who insource and rebadge power plants funnily enough don’t usually trumpet the OEM’s name. Aston and AMG being a prime example.

Where’s the fire ?



300bhp/ton

36,060 posts

129 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
If you’re serious about off roading you buy a Landcruiser or big JLR car not this fake tan mums PCP run around.
You don’t have to be serious about off roading to want or need something that could be capable.

Have you done much off roading?

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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300bhp/ton said:
You don’t have to be serious about off roading to want or need something that could be capable.

Have you done much off roading?
No. I had an x5 yonks ago and found its meagre off road abilities surplus to my requirements so I replaced it with a car. It was nice to load the shopping into and really that’s why people buy them. The higher ride height, the ease of loading and unloading not the off road ability - hence why an Rx/nx is a worthy alternative - particularly as they’re much more reliable.

Actually the new Hyundai Tuscon and Santa Fe look good rivals for this - and much longer warranties.
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M4CK 1

266 posts

66 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
M4CK 1 said:
Also the interior is so much nicer. Quality and the looks is so much better.
Interior space might not be the best but if that's a concern get a disco sport.
Quality. An evoque. Are you kidding. Really. Lexus trumps everyone for quality.

If you’re serious about off roading you buy a Landcruiser or big JLR car not this fake tan mums PCP run around.
Sorry but the lexus looks like the son of predator. It might have a nice interior but really it's just a rebadged Toyota crossover SUV

Anyway I'll leave this here https://youtu.be/Vo6Lj6G5tN8 {/url}

Burwood

11,392 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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JLR will be hoping for better sales. European sales peaked at 61k annually and averages over 50k for the last 5 years. 40k in 2018 and January was the lowest ever Evoque sales figures.

M4CK 1

266 posts

66 months

Friday 15th March
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Burwood said:
JLR will be hoping for better sales. European sales peaked at 61k annually and averages over 50k for the last 5 years. 40k in 2018 and January was the lowest ever Evoque sales figures.
To be fair the market has grown as every manufacturer will want a slice and was always going to drop.

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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M4CK 1 said:
Sorry but the lexus looks like the son of predator. It might have a nice interior but really it's just a rebadged Toyota crossover SUV

Anyway I'll leave this here https://youtu.be/Vo6Lj6G5tN8 {/url}
You do know Toyota make the best quality cars in the world.

On another thread it was mentioned JLR will start using the BMW V8. Big mistake, they'd be better buying in their entire drivetrains from Toyota and simply designing and styling the cars.

300bhp/ton

36,060 posts

129 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
No. I had an x5 yonks ago and found its meagre off road abilities surplus to my requirements so I replaced it with a car. It was nice to load the shopping into and really that’s why people buy them. The higher ride height, the ease of loading and unloading not the off road ability - hence why an Rx/nx is a worthy alternative - particularly as they’re much more reliable.

Actually the new Hyundai Tuscon and Santa Fe look good rivals for this - and much longer warranties.
You are correct, some people do indeed buy cars like this for the ease of loading shopping (or kids) into. And for many looks and image will play a big part. Which the Evoque does both very well. And if you can remove you unbiased head, the Evoque isn't a bad car, even if there is something which is better.

But not everyone buys like this. Some people, maybe those in the horse community, out door pursuits (rock climbing/hiking) or farming, would actually welcome something they know they can roll in and out of fields in or up and down tracks. Something an Evoque will do very well.


st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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300bhp/ton said:
You are correct, some people do indeed buy cars like this for the ease of loading shopping (or kids) into. And for many looks and image will play a big part. Which the Evoque does both very well. And if you can remove you unbiased head, the Evoque isn't a bad car, even if there is something which is better.

But not everyone buys like this. Some people, maybe those in the horse community, out door pursuits (rock climbing/hiking) or farming, would actually welcome something they know they can roll in and out of fields in or up and down tracks. Something an Evoque will do very well.
As would an RX450h, Nx300h, Hyundai Santa Fe, Tuscon etc (and these all look great too).

I’d say the evoque is the lesser of all these cars and image/looks is very questionable.

Zoon

3,645 posts

60 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
You do know Toyota make the best quality cars in the world.
Is that why Toyota use BMW engines?

300bhp/ton

36,060 posts

129 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
As would an RX450h, Nx300h, Hyundai Santa Fe, Tuscon etc (and these all look great too).

I’d say the evoque is the lesser of all these cars and image/looks is very questionable.
I suspect you are in a minority. And clearly seem to have two agenda's, firstly you seem to be a Toyota fan boy and you seem to have some beef to irrationally hate on the Evoque.

I've not bashed Toyota or Lexus. They are fine cars, but they aren't lookers.

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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Zoon said:
Is that why Toyota use BMW engines?
They’re embarking on a terrible terrible mistake doing that for the Supra. Toyota owners just won’t be accustomed to timing chains breaking and random warning lights.

It wasn’t set in stone the supra had to be a straight six. They could have developed a flat six from the Gt86 motor, used the UZ V8, or the venerable v6 that’s going into lotus cars, or the new v6 turbo that’s in the US market LS.

Burwood

11,392 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
300bhp/ton said:
You are correct, some people do indeed buy cars like this for the ease of loading shopping (or kids) into. And for many looks and image will play a big part. Which the Evoque does both very well. And if you can remove you unbiased head, the Evoque isn't a bad car, even if there is something which is better.

But not everyone buys like this. Some people, maybe those in the horse community, out door pursuits (rock climbing/hiking) or farming, would actually welcome something they know they can roll in and out of fields in or up and down tracks. Something an Evoque will do very well.
As would an RX450h, Nx300h, Hyundai Santa Fe, Tuscon etc (and these all look great too).

I’d say the evoque is the lesser of all these cars and image/looks is very questionable.
I don't have any problem with its looks. It's a handsome car with great tech. The issues for me are; crap engines, thirsty, very expensive and the questionable reliability.

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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300bhp/ton said:
I suspect you are in a minority. And clearly seem to have two agenda's, firstly you seem to be a Toyota fan boy and you seem to have some beef to irrationally hate on the Evoque.

I've not bashed Toyota or Lexus. They are fine cars, but they aren't lookers.
I don’t try they’re bad looking cars, neither are the Korean made Santa Fe or Tuscon models I pointed out. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I don’t see it in the evoque. Given JLRs patchy reliability I thought it worthwhile mentioning car makers known for making the most reliable cars in the world - at a similar new price point.

I have no agenda. I’m merely discussing cars on a car forum. I doubt if I mentioned a used Cayenne, discovery, RR, Bmw x 3/4/5/6 new/used you wouldn’t be accusing me of having an agenda but as soon a Toyota or Lexus or Hyundai/Kia are mentioned the forum cabal goes to volume 11. I don’t understand it.

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300bhp/ton

36,060 posts

129 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
They could have developed a flat six from the Gt86 motor
lol, isn't that a Subaru engine tongue out

Rawwr

21,624 posts

173 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
I have no agenda. I’m merely appearing on every thread telling everyone that Toyota/Lexus make the best cars in the world.
The blatant trolling on the Porsche thread was bad enough but the routine is pretty tired now.

Zoon

3,645 posts

60 months

Friday 15th March
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st4 said:
Zoon said:
Is that why Toyota use BMW engines?
They’re embarking on a terrible terrible mistake doing that for the Supra. Toyota owners just won’t be accustomed to timing chains breaking and random warning lights.

It wasn’t set in stone the supra had to be a straight six. They could have developed a flat six from the Gt86 motor, used the UZ V8, or the venerable v6 that’s going into lotus cars, or the new v6 turbo that’s in the US market LS.
They have been using them for years, they used the BMW diesel engine in the Verso.

st4

1,359 posts

72 months

Friday 15th March
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300bhp/ton said:
lol, isn't that a Subaru engine tongue out
Now that you mention it. Didn’t they do a nice 3.0 flat six in the legacy, they need to bring that back.