RE: Redux restomods the E30 M3
Discussion
Visually, it reminds me of mine that I owned for 7 years...and sold at the wrong time!
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/e30_m3/index.html
Why did I sell mine?
One of the main reasons was that despite their appearance, the near 'mythology' that has been generated around them and desire from people who have never even driven one (you'll be disappointed if you judge them by modern standards now, I can assure you!) , they'd become too slow in the 'Real World' and I was getting fed up with the ever increasing humiliation at the hands of ordinary, family cars who wanted to race you on the public road and were just increasingly finding it easier and easier to trounce the M3!
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In a sense, I'm not surprised that Redux have found the need to offer significantly more power than the original car...it needs it now! Otherwise, it would have really ended up a latter day 'Sheep in Wolf's clothing'. So, I guess it was the Turbo-route or else utilising a significantly bigger lump in the front to get near 400 bhp....probably a V8 which would seem even more out of place?
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/e30_m3/index.html
Why did I sell mine?
One of the main reasons was that despite their appearance, the near 'mythology' that has been generated around them and desire from people who have never even driven one (you'll be disappointed if you judge them by modern standards now, I can assure you!) , they'd become too slow in the 'Real World' and I was getting fed up with the ever increasing humiliation at the hands of ordinary, family cars who wanted to race you on the public road and were just increasingly finding it easier and easier to trounce the M3!
)In a sense, I'm not surprised that Redux have found the need to offer significantly more power than the original car...it needs it now! Otherwise, it would have really ended up a latter day 'Sheep in Wolf's clothing'. So, I guess it was the Turbo-route or else utilising a significantly bigger lump in the front to get near 400 bhp....probably a V8 which would seem even more out of place?
Hartge seemed to have a good crack at resolving the power issue back then with their 330hp H35-24. A step on from Alpina's B6 3.5S, they chose to use a fettled M88 from the E28 M5, along with a host of other parts, to produce something that I can only imagine is pretty lively to drive. Not sure on exact numbers, although seem to recall of four being made, but I'd have thought if one ever came up for sale it would be less than this Redux project
I think the everlasting attraction of the E30 M3 is the sum of the parts. No, they are not neck snappingly fast away from the line, but once buzzing along, the attraction and enjoyment comes from maintaining the momentum. What I have always noticed is that, certainly on track, while stuff disappears off down the straights, as soon as you arrive at a set of sweepers being able to stay in it and get right to the edge of the envelope is massively enjoyable, not to mention often reeling in the "straight liners".....
This re-incarnation, pretty much looks like a lot of the cars we used to track day with a few years back, when they weren't worth a kings ransom. I am guessing the core of the cost is born in the strip down/repair/rebuild, as pointed out, most of the performance parts are readily available to all an sundry.
Nice to see someone's still trying to keep it relevant though.
This re-incarnation, pretty much looks like a lot of the cars we used to track day with a few years back, when they weren't worth a kings ransom. I am guessing the core of the cost is born in the strip down/repair/rebuild, as pointed out, most of the performance parts are readily available to all an sundry.
Nice to see someone's still trying to keep it relevant though.
I've hired a 2018 Mini Cooper S for the week (petrol turbo) and it has made me realise more than ever that older cars are where it's at; numb steering (as in zero feedback and no sense of connection whatsoever), incredibly poor throttle response, and too much weight. For my tastes peak technology/driving enjoyment has well and truly passed.
This E30 looks spot-on.
This E30 looks spot-on.
Leins said:
Hartge seemed to have a good crack at resolving the power issue back then with their 330hp H35-24. A step on from Alpina's B6 3.5S, they chose to use a fettled M88 from the E28 M5, along with a host of other parts, to produce something that I can only imagine is pretty lively to drive. Not sure on exact numbers, although seem to recall of four being made, but I'd have thought if one ever came up for sale it would be less than this Redux project
The Alpina E30 M3 B6 S was a "nicely engineered " conversion, though rumour has it the Alpina engineers had to beat the bulkhead with a sledgehammer to make the six pot fit. The Hartge H35-24 I saw in the UK looked to have the engine shoehorned in and wasn't a particularly nice conversion. I could have bought the car for £18-20k close to 10 years ago...
Having realised the H35-24 wasn't the car of my dreams I'd thought it would be, I seriously considered buying a cheap E34 Alpina B10 3.5 to rip the heart out of (and stuff like the gearknob etc) with a view to building a B6 S rep but using the "correct" engine. Back then there were plenty of high mile B10 3.5's available, and cheap. For better or for worse, I stuck with a mix of 911's and an E46 M3 CSL.
I'd rather buy this than the Redux ... :
https://www.classic-trader.com/uk/cars/listing/alp...
Slippydiff said:
The Alpina E30 M3 B6 S was a "nicely engineered " conversion, though rumour has it the Alpina engineers had to beat the bulkhead with a sledgehammer to make the six pot fit.
The Hartge H35-24 I saw in the UK looked to have the engine shoehorned in and wasn't a particularly nice conversion. I could have bought the car for £18-20k close to 10 years ago...
Having realised the H35-24 wasn't the car of my dreams I'd thought it would be, I seriously considered buying a cheap E34 Alpina B10 3.5 to rip the heart out of (and stuff like the gearknob etc) with a view to building a B6 S rep but using the "correct" engine. Back then there were plenty of high mile B10 3.5's available, and cheap. For better or for worse, I stuck with a mix of 911's and an E46 M3 CSL.
I'd rather buy this than the Redux ... :
https://www.classic-trader.com/uk/cars/listing/alp...
Think that B6 3.5 has been on the market for a while, but does look lovely. It's a pity they never made a Touring version - I still do miss my old C2.5 estate. Not M3 sharp or powerful, but a lovely thing to punt along despite "only" 190hpThe Hartge H35-24 I saw in the UK looked to have the engine shoehorned in and wasn't a particularly nice conversion. I could have bought the car for £18-20k close to 10 years ago...
Having realised the H35-24 wasn't the car of my dreams I'd thought it would be, I seriously considered buying a cheap E34 Alpina B10 3.5 to rip the heart out of (and stuff like the gearknob etc) with a view to building a B6 S rep but using the "correct" engine. Back then there were plenty of high mile B10 3.5's available, and cheap. For better or for worse, I stuck with a mix of 911's and an E46 M3 CSL.
I'd rather buy this than the Redux ... :
https://www.classic-trader.com/uk/cars/listing/alp...
I did talk about swapping my CSL for a mate's E30 M3 a few years back and we were both tempted, but at the time I had two other non-M E30s so it seemed like overkill. Would still like another E30, but something about this Redux one that just doesn't do it for me (and not only the price!)
stevesingo said:
All a little unresolved and a little bitsa IMO. It shows the creators didn't really understand what is the core spirit of the E30 M3 nor how to execute what they got wrong even.
Turbocharging is not what the E30 M3 is about. In competition the E30 M3 competed against turbo cars and gave them a bloody nose. On the road, the drivetrain was all about razor sharp throttle response, singing revs and making the most of the momentum. I can't imagine Singer making a turbo car.
The instruments are like having a 1980s Kenwood head unit in a 911 2.7 RS. You just wouldn't.
There was a lot of work done on the Gp A cars which allowed larger wheels without compromising wheel travel. This has not been done, so I can't imagine how stiff it might have to be.
The wheels are almost right, but somehow the dish at the hub face seems wrong. Too deep?
The steering wheel. The original wheel was perfect, particularly in suede. There were also wheels used in motorsport which would be more fitting.
Looks like they have also dumped the ABS. That might effect how you get in registered road legal.
They have used rose jointed front suspension ala Gp A/DTM. This won't work well on the road. It might be nice and tight on press test drives, but it will be knocking like a gud un after a few thousand miles. Singer use stock bushes!
The creators came on the M Power forum years ago seeking comments and duly ignored the advice of current owners.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=15...
It has taken since 2015 to produce the first car!
Totally agreeTurbocharging is not what the E30 M3 is about. In competition the E30 M3 competed against turbo cars and gave them a bloody nose. On the road, the drivetrain was all about razor sharp throttle response, singing revs and making the most of the momentum. I can't imagine Singer making a turbo car.
The instruments are like having a 1980s Kenwood head unit in a 911 2.7 RS. You just wouldn't.
There was a lot of work done on the Gp A cars which allowed larger wheels without compromising wheel travel. This has not been done, so I can't imagine how stiff it might have to be.
The wheels are almost right, but somehow the dish at the hub face seems wrong. Too deep?
The steering wheel. The original wheel was perfect, particularly in suede. There were also wheels used in motorsport which would be more fitting.
Looks like they have also dumped the ABS. That might effect how you get in registered road legal.
They have used rose jointed front suspension ala Gp A/DTM. This won't work well on the road. It might be nice and tight on press test drives, but it will be knocking like a gud un after a few thousand miles. Singer use stock bushes!
The creators came on the M Power forum years ago seeking comments and duly ignored the advice of current owners.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=15...
It has taken since 2015 to produce the first car!
s m said:
Lovely apart from the rear lenses and price! Could really do with a gold deko-set too, but I know a lot of folks think they’re a bit OTTanonymous said:
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My Sport Evo has 280hp (ish) and it is plenty quick enough on the road but, you have to work for it. On track (Croft), it will hold a E46 M3 on the straight and E92s pull about 3 car lengths on me. I get them both under brakes mind you. At the BMW Car Club track day I attended at Croft, There wasn't a stock E46 or E9* that was quicker over a lap. I'm on Conti road tyres BTW.JJ55 said:
Gorgeous, I’d have mine with n/a engine & analogue clocks. Except sadly I will never be able to afford one without a lottery win 
And that is my point. NO f
ker wants a turbo and LCD display in an E30 M3.The rest could be done be almost anyone. There is nothing about it which justifies £250k.
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