RE: Redux restomods the E30 M3
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This is about as much a Singer as my 1 series.
One of the things that makes E30 M3 so special is the high revving NA engine. Sticking a turbo on it (even if you do convince yourself it’s what BMW would have done) makes it a very different car.
Reinventing the wheel and tacking on a ridiculous price tag. Fool, money etc.
Save yourself a chunk of cash and call Ton Vink instead.
https://www.vinkmotorsport.com/portfolio-item/m3-e...
One of the things that makes E30 M3 so special is the high revving NA engine. Sticking a turbo on it (even if you do convince yourself it’s what BMW would have done) makes it a very different car.
Reinventing the wheel and tacking on a ridiculous price tag. Fool, money etc.
Save yourself a chunk of cash and call Ton Vink instead.
https://www.vinkmotorsport.com/portfolio-item/m3-e...
Edited by e46m3Mark on Saturday 16th March 10:01
Slippydiff said:
Off Topic but that website.... I've never been on there before and hence I'm now sentenced to another whole wasted morning of idly browsing through pages of stuff that I can't have! 
derin100 said:
Why did I sell mine?
One of the main reasons was that despite their appearance, the near 'mythology' that has been generated around them and desire from people who have never even driven one (you'll be disappointed if you judge them by modern standards now, I can assure you!) , they'd become too slow in the 'Real World' and I was getting fed up with the ever increasing humiliation at the hands of ordinary, family cars who wanted to race you on the public road and were just increasingly finding it easier and easier to trounce the M3!)
I loved the looks of the E30 M3, but back in the day LHD and 200bhp just didn't cut it against an RS Cosworth that easily made 250bhp, and had the potential for a lot more. I'd probably have both in my lottery garage , but if I had to choose between them today I'd still pick an RS500 Cosworth.One of the main reasons was that despite their appearance, the near 'mythology' that has been generated around them and desire from people who have never even driven one (you'll be disappointed if you judge them by modern standards now, I can assure you!) , they'd become too slow in the 'Real World' and I was getting fed up with the ever increasing humiliation at the hands of ordinary, family cars who wanted to race you on the public road and were just increasingly finding it easier and easier to trounce the M3!
)stevesingo said:
And that is my point. NO f
ker wants a turbo and LCD display in an E30 M3.
The rest could be done be almost anyone. There is nothing about it which justifies £250k.
That’s how I see it. The joy of these, and other cars from the era is the simplicity and experience. They don’t need massive brakes, they don’t need silly dashes. Spend the money on cleaning the head up and ITB’s etc. ker wants a turbo and LCD display in an E30 M3.The rest could be done be almost anyone. There is nothing about it which justifies £250k.
There seems to be a glut of hipsters cashing in on nostalgia at the moment.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 16th March 20:20
If he really wanted to do the BMW equivalent of Singer he could have used a 2002 (which are way more plentiful and not a rare homologation car) and brought the mechanicals up to date, along with a better finished interior.
I suppose we should be grateful he didn't go with the original design that included E46 M3 side vents on the front wings and the Group 5 E21 rear window spoiler. Either way, I can't believe there are 30 owners out there who'll spend this amount of cash doing something they could easily have done themselves. Mind you, it looks like there are a few motoring journalists who've been seduced by the website and tacky company slogan.
Can someone explain the thinking behind leaving the engine bay painted white? It just looks unfinished to me.
I suppose we should be grateful he didn't go with the original design that included E46 M3 side vents on the front wings and the Group 5 E21 rear window spoiler. Either way, I can't believe there are 30 owners out there who'll spend this amount of cash doing something they could easily have done themselves. Mind you, it looks like there are a few motoring journalists who've been seduced by the website and tacky company slogan.
Can someone explain the thinking behind leaving the engine bay painted white? It just looks unfinished to me.
I think people are getting carried away with the dash & turbo etc, the whole point of something like this is that they build it to your spec, so for me I'd ditch the original dash for a Motec job & go ITB's head cams & a sequential (the 1st 3 gears straight cut with helical gears for 4-5-6) box along with all the rest of the work topped off with a labatts wrap over the bodywork, but if you want the original dash I'm pretty sure you can have it.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Sunday 17th March 11:03
I think though the article becomes more of a ‘suggestion’ for what they could do rather a 30-off run of cars. Companies like Retropower will do that for you as well of course
I think they should have built a demo car, with prices, weight, performance all tested to show what you could get.
Alfaholics did this with the GTA270R/GTA290R and lent it out to press - “ we can turn your slow Alfa Junior into something like this that will lap the Ring in 8 mins for £200k “
Similarly Singer will take your 1990 Carrera and give it nigh on modern day GT3RS levels of performance for half a mill
It would be nice to see in more detail what this company would do to your £40k boggo M3 and for how much
I think they should have built a demo car, with prices, weight, performance all tested to show what you could get.
Alfaholics did this with the GTA270R/GTA290R and lent it out to press - “ we can turn your slow Alfa Junior into something like this that will lap the Ring in 8 mins for £200k “
Similarly Singer will take your 1990 Carrera and give it nigh on modern day GT3RS levels of performance for half a mill
It would be nice to see in more detail what this company would do to your £40k boggo M3 and for how much
As an ex owner (Sport Evolution) I'd say the standard car doesn't need much messing with. If anything I'd have one rebuilt as standard with some decent tyres, slightly better dampers and a remap. I had mine 15-20 years ago and technically it was already 'outdated' but what a lovely thing to punt along.
I can imagine a standard restoration costing 100-150 grand with parts being both ultra rare and at a premium.
I can imagine a standard restoration costing 100-150 grand with parts being both ultra rare and at a premium.
e46m3Mark said:
Initially I thought they said they were building 30 specific cars of their own design? Now it looks like they'll just do whatever anyone is prepared to pay for.
What possible benefit is there in having carbon brakes on an E30 M3? Apart from in a pissing contest obviously.
What's your opinion on the E30 v the E46, with say up to £10k spent on each?What possible benefit is there in having carbon brakes on an E30 M3? Apart from in a pissing contest obviously.
Slippydiff said:
The Alpina E30 M3 B6 S was a "nicely engineered " conversion, though rumour has it the Alpina engineers had to beat the bulkhead with a sledgehammer to make the six pot fit.
I took a different view, one that concurred with LJK Setright; I thought it was a bloody horrible thing, nose heavy and feeling more like a typical souped up E30. It went well enough but that M30 really was a boat anchor. The engine does fit without hammers but it's very, very tight.
blade7 said:
e46m3Mark said:
Initially I thought they said they were building 30 specific cars of their own design? Now it looks like they'll just do whatever anyone is prepared to pay for.
What possible benefit is there in having carbon brakes on an E30 M3? Apart from in a pissing contest obviously.
What's your opinion on the E30 v the E46, with say up to £10k spent on each?What possible benefit is there in having carbon brakes on an E30 M3? Apart from in a pissing contest obviously.
My old s14 was/is...
Arrow rods £1000
CP pistons £600
Schrick cams £1700
New crank £1500
DTM standalone inc sensors & mapping £1750
Head work £1800
Evo spec flywheel £650
M/sport spec rad £700
and a whole lot more besides inc GrpA oil pump, new injectors etc etc. Oh and then there's labour costs. I don't want to add up every penny as I'm still gutted I had to sell and realising the exact financial cost is simply no fun.
In the end I had about 250 - 260 brake but it was never about the numbers. An NA s14 is a glorious thing and sticking a turbo on there is just missing the point in my opinion. As is changing stuff just for the sake of it and adding logos that don't really mean a whole lot. It's not as if any of this stuff is done 'in house'. Anyone can outsource mods like these and stick their name on a plaque.
As for £10k on an E46 m3? I'd do the same again and just tread the same well established path of suspension, brakes and an airbox. I'd also lose some weight with race seats, harness and rear seat delete. The great thing about M3's (to me anyway) is that they only need pretty easy to do mods because the base cars are so good.
e46m3Mark said:
As for £10k on an E46 m3? I'd do the same again and just tread the same well established path of suspension, brakes and an airbox. I'd also lose some weight with race seats, harness and rear seat delete. The great thing about M3's (to me anyway) is that they only need pretty easy to do mods because the base cars are so good.
Tales of E30 owners being all over later M3's under braking and through corners, make me wonder if it's just down to brakes, suspension and weight. And addressing some of that would hush up those E30 owners?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff