RE: Tesla Model Y released
Discussion
Torquey said:
I don't think it looks too bad. Certainly no worse than BMW's and Merc's offerings.
This. I don't think it's good looking at all but the exact same could be said for 80% of the SUV market, it doesn't stop people buying them.I'll be curious to see if this has an impact on the Model 3 sales, there's certainly a certain percentage of Tesla customers who just want a Tesla and SUVs seem more popular than saloons nowaday I could certainly see some folk changing their order to the Y.
aarondbs said:
It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.
My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.
And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
So you're proud of achieving terrible fuel economy, speeding, and having a car which feels 'slightly shonky', but claim Tesla's feel cheap.My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.
And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
Not to mention that you don't look for a petrol station until you buy a car, so I can't be sure if you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to look and find out that there are 215 charging points in Ft Lauderdale and 345 in Orlando
Slow. Clap.
aarondbs said:
It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.
My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.
And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
I can’t imagine anyone considering a Model Y would consider a GLS450 or vice-versa. The Model Y makes much more sense than the GLS450 for what I see most GLS’s doing here in the States - driving to school and sports by mothers. You don’t need the off-road capability and emissions of a GLS450 in town (nor that mammoth size that blocks visibility for drivers of smaller cars). Would have thought it pretty obvious that if you’re buying a car for regularly doing long journeys you wouldn’t be considering a Model Y. And a GLS450 costs about 50% more than a Model Y.My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.
And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
Edited by Bencolem on Friday 15th March 11:35
Can we just put this to bed.
If you do regular long journeys a Tesla or any other EV will probably not be the best car for the job. The charging in its current state will make the journeys take longer and generally be a little bit inconvenient. Not a big deal if it 2-3 times a year but if you regularly do this it wears thin.
For everything else they are pretty great.
I said I would never go back to Tesla but this and 3 are making think about one for the wife in a year or 2.
If you do regular long journeys a Tesla or any other EV will probably not be the best car for the job. The charging in its current state will make the journeys take longer and generally be a little bit inconvenient. Not a big deal if it 2-3 times a year but if you regularly do this it wears thin.
For everything else they are pretty great.
I said I would never go back to Tesla but this and 3 are making think about one for the wife in a year or 2.
Jon_S_Rally said:
.....when is someone going to admit that massive, distracting touchscreens in cars are utterly idiotic. Sooner or later, there's going to be a massive crash and it will turn out the driver who caused it was trying to change the temperature in the car, or find a good radio station, but had to take his/her eyes off the road to look at the screen. A screen in a car has its uses, but making it control most of the major functions is mental. The great thing about a good old fashioned knob is that you can operate it by touch alone, rather than having to look to see where exactly you're touching it. Until cars have fully autonomous capability, big screens remain a bad idea.
I've been wondering this myself. Mobile phones aren't allowed took be used, as they distract the driver from the road. Yet in built touchscreen systems are perfectly ok? I too have been wondering and waiting for that seismic event when all of a sudden they'll be banned......To be honest it looks no more or less offensive than the other Tesla models.
I don't think any of them are hideous but I think they're completely bland.
I completely admire how quick they can go and I'm not even averse to electric cars. I just think Teslas are quite uninspiring looks wise, this new one included.
I don't think any of them are hideous but I think they're completely bland.
I completely admire how quick they can go and I'm not even averse to electric cars. I just think Teslas are quite uninspiring looks wise, this new one included.
aarondbs said:
It’s not a looker is it? I’m working over in the US this week and drove from Fort Lauderdale to Orlando and back yesterday. Fortunately in a SIXT 7 seat Mercedes GLS450. At 18mpg (and I was pulled over and given a warning for travelling at 97mph) I did need to fill up which was a matter of minutes.
My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.
And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
I was in the US in January. I hired a GMC Yukon XL. I carried me and my 6 passengers, plus their luggage from the airport and around for 3 weeks. My journeys were pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Alfa I have at home.My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in a Tesla. My meeting was on a downtown industrial estate and the hotel I am staying at does not have a charge point. I liked the noise the engine made in the Mercedes and I liked its slightly shonky character but these Teslas do nothing for me, and yes I have driven one, a P something or other saloon. They look cheap, feel cheap and are not cheap. All in my opinion of course.
And yes before anyone says it i do a journey like this at least once a week. Last week was Chesterfield to Cardiff and back arriving home at 2am and back in the office for 7am so again a Tesla and an Taxi May have been required!
Later that same month, I was invited on a corporate track day. We were given Caterham 270s. My driving experience was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the GMC Yukon XL.
In February I was in a very cold snow covered Canada for a 4 day business trip. My client drove Mercedes G550. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Caterham 270.
Also in February, I had to drive 200 miles carrying 8 bikes in bike boxes plus 2 passengers. I hired a LWB Mercedes Sprinter. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the G550.
Last weekend, I had to visit my parents along with my wife, daughter, her friend and our dog. We took my Alfa. My journey was pleasant, anxious free and could not have been achieved in the Merc Sprinter.
Next month I am going to Majorca on a cycling training camp, with 2 of my bikes. I am travelling in a plane. I predict my journey will be pleasant, anxious free and could not be achieved in any of the cars above.
Thank f
k for a wide choice of vehicles to suits each persons individual needs.Jon_S_Rally said:
I wish people would stop pretending that this and the Model X are SUVs. How much ground clearance does it have exactly? Can it tow a caravan? 15-20 years ago, these would be identified as exactly what they are - people carriers/MPVs. It's just that SUV sounds more glamorous.
Also, Tesla are certainly not the only ones guilty of this, but they are probably the ones embracing it the most - when is someone going to admit that massive, distracting touchscreens in cars are utterly idiotic. Sooner or later, there's going to be a massive crash and it will turn out the driver who caused it was trying to change the temperature in the car, or find a good radio station, but had to take his/her eyes off the road to look at the screen. A screen in a car has its uses, but making it control most of the major functions is mental. The great thing about a good old fashioned knob is that you can operate it by touch alone, rather than having to look to see where exactly you're touching it. Until cars have fully autonomous capability, big screens remain a bad idea.
In many ways, I admire what Tesla have achieved. They've certainly forced OEMs to make progress with EVs, but I'm not sure I see them as a long term fixture of the automotive industry. I think the big manufacturers will soon start to offer alternatives that make Tesla look a bit poor. By most accounts, the quality isn't brilliant and they are certainly struggling with mass manufacturing, both things which the established manufacturers know inside out.
What might help them is if they drop all this sub-5 second 0-60 business to impress people. Make a Golf-sized EV that does 0-60 in 8-10 seconds, looks like a normal car, is built as well as a normal car, can do 5-600 miles between charges. and is priced like a normal car. That's the EV the general market actually needs, not something with "ludicrous" mode for children in adult bodies that have money to burn.
Do SUVs have to have a minimum ground clearance and the ability to tow a caravan? Asking for a friend. Also, Tesla are certainly not the only ones guilty of this, but they are probably the ones embracing it the most - when is someone going to admit that massive, distracting touchscreens in cars are utterly idiotic. Sooner or later, there's going to be a massive crash and it will turn out the driver who caused it was trying to change the temperature in the car, or find a good radio station, but had to take his/her eyes off the road to look at the screen. A screen in a car has its uses, but making it control most of the major functions is mental. The great thing about a good old fashioned knob is that you can operate it by touch alone, rather than having to look to see where exactly you're touching it. Until cars have fully autonomous capability, big screens remain a bad idea.
In many ways, I admire what Tesla have achieved. They've certainly forced OEMs to make progress with EVs, but I'm not sure I see them as a long term fixture of the automotive industry. I think the big manufacturers will soon start to offer alternatives that make Tesla look a bit poor. By most accounts, the quality isn't brilliant and they are certainly struggling with mass manufacturing, both things which the established manufacturers know inside out.
What might help them is if they drop all this sub-5 second 0-60 business to impress people. Make a Golf-sized EV that does 0-60 in 8-10 seconds, looks like a normal car, is built as well as a normal car, can do 5-600 miles between charges. and is priced like a normal car. That's the EV the general market actually needs, not something with "ludicrous" mode for children in adult bodies that have money to burn.
munkyelise said:
If it doesn't have a range that can take you on a day out and get you back home again, then what is the point ?
Also, when they predicted electric cars as 'the future' all the pictures where sexy and space age ....
What is the commonly acceptable minimum distance for a 'day out'?Also, when they predicted electric cars as 'the future' all the pictures where sexy and space age ....
I had a day out yesterday and did 12 miles. I'm not having a day out today but have already driven 30 miles.
ntiz said:
Can we just put this to bed.
If you do regular long journeys a Tesla or any other EV will probably not be the best car for the job. The charging in its current state will make the journeys take longer and generally be a little bit inconvenient. Not a big deal if it 2-3 times a year but if you regularly do this it wears thin.
For everything else they are pretty great.
I said I would never go back to Tesla but this and 3 are making think about one for the wife in a year or 2.
I'm lucky to get 300 miles out of a tank of fuel. I often don't even get 200 miles. Therefore, when I have to travel more than 300 miles, I have to make sure I can refuel en route.If you do regular long journeys a Tesla or any other EV will probably not be the best car for the job. The charging in its current state will make the journeys take longer and generally be a little bit inconvenient. Not a big deal if it 2-3 times a year but if you regularly do this it wears thin.
For everything else they are pretty great.
I said I would never go back to Tesla but this and 3 are making think about one for the wife in a year or 2.
Luckily, my bladder is smaller than my fuel tank and thus it requires a stop more frequently than my car does. With a supercharger network getting ever better, and now 75 miles in 5 minutes being a reality, the range fear is becoming ever lessened.
Ares said:
I'm lucky to get 300 miles out of a tank of fuel. I often don't even get 200 miles. Therefore, when I have to travel more than 300 miles, I have to make sure I can refuel en route.
Luckily, my bladder is smaller than my fuel tank and thus it requires a stop more frequently than my car does. With a supercharger network getting ever better, and now 75 miles in 5 minutes being a reality, the range fear is becoming ever lessened.
For once I agree with you. I am eagerly awaiting the chance to get a full EV. Luckily, my bladder is smaller than my fuel tank and thus it requires a stop more frequently than my car does. With a supercharger network getting ever better, and now 75 miles in 5 minutes being a reality, the range fear is becoming ever lessened.
I'd love an EV as my daily and I like idea of a Tesla's but for a company that prides itself on being different they aren't half dull machines.
I want to love them but everytime I get in one I'm just unimpressed. Not by the way they drive but by the way they look and feel. The mad mode launch is great fun for about 5 minutes but I'm more likely going to be sat in traffic for an hour and I'd rather be in something that feels less like a hospital waiting room.
The Jaguar iPace while no looker on the outside, is just 1000% more interesting on the inside (which is more inportant for me as that's where I sit).
I want to love them but everytime I get in one I'm just unimpressed. Not by the way they drive but by the way they look and feel. The mad mode launch is great fun for about 5 minutes but I'm more likely going to be sat in traffic for an hour and I'd rather be in something that feels less like a hospital waiting room.
The Jaguar iPace while no looker on the outside, is just 1000% more interesting on the inside (which is more inportant for me as that's where I sit).
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