Birmingham Crash
Discussion
It is the sad news like this which prompted me to revisit how I take care of my own child whilst in the car. At 8 years old we legally comply with the law by always using booster cushions but it always feels as if just complying isn't really enough. So a full blown isofix seat with side impact protection is due to be collected in the morning.
Words cannot do justice for the loss of anyone in a crash, let alone two young children. I fear the A3 driver will get away with this and even if they are brought to justice, the justice served wont be anywhere near enough.
Words cannot do justice for the loss of anyone in a crash, let alone two young children. I fear the A3 driver will get away with this and even if they are brought to justice, the justice served wont be anywhere near enough.
George Smiley said:
I fear the A3 driver will get away with this
They should start by arresting and charging the registered keeper. That might flush the scum out. No bail, no nothing. You're going down for five years minimum mate. Unless of course...........
Someone - anyone - needs to pay dearly for this. Otherwise it'll just be forgotten about apart from the poor parents.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
As the survivor of a fatal crash caused by someone else but in which I was trapped next to my dead best friend I can only dread what lies ahead for the poor mum.
Even nearly 30 years on I think about it on an almost daily basis, I spent years blaming myself, asking so many “what ifs” and “why him” questions, but to have your own kids die will be unthinkable and now as a parent myself I genuinely wonder if i would rather have died too, it’s so hard to comprehend how to begin to recover regardless of anything the courts and police can do...........
I can't even begin to comprehend what you must have gone through. Even nearly 30 years on I think about it on an almost daily basis, I spent years blaming myself, asking so many “what ifs” and “why him” questions, but to have your own kids die will be unthinkable and now as a parent myself I genuinely wonder if i would rather have died too, it’s so hard to comprehend how to begin to recover regardless of anything the courts and police can do...........
iSore said:
George Smiley said:
I fear the A3 driver will get away with this
They should start by arresting and charging the registered keeper. That might flush the scum out. No bail, no nothing. You're going down for five years minimum mate. Unless of course...........
Someone - anyone - needs to pay dearly for this. Otherwise it'll just be forgotten about apart from the poor parents.
Russian Troll Bot said:
Unless it turns out to be stolen
Three days on, and they haven't said as much. It will be a lease/PCP car and the driver will have left the country or will be in a kebab shop 200 miles away. Go to the house where it's registered and arrest the first likely looking suspect, we don't care who. A good old fashioned CID fit up, job done. Fully justified in this instance. iSore said:
Three days on, and they haven't said as much. It will be a lease/PCP car and the driver will have left the country or will be in a kebab shop 200 miles away. Go to the house where it's registered and arrest the first likely looking suspect, we don't care who. A good old fashioned CID fit up, job done. Fully justified in this instance.
LOL. iSore said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
Unless it turns out to be stolen
Three days on, and they haven't said as much. It will be a lease/PCP car and the driver will have left the country or will be in a kebab shop 200 miles away. Go to the house where it's registered and arrest the first likely looking suspect, we don't care who. A good old fashioned CID fit up, job done. Fully justified in this instance. Russian Troll Bot said:
We don't yet know whether the registered owner was behind the wheel but I would imagine the police have already visited said address. But, just to clarify, if someone stole your car, was involved in a fatal RTA then fled the country, you or someone at your property would be happy to go to jail for them?
You're still maintaining that it was stolen? Okay.iSore said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
We don't yet know whether the registered owner was behind the wheel but I would imagine the police have already visited said address. But, just to clarify, if someone stole your car, was involved in a fatal RTA then fled the country, you or someone at your property would be happy to go to jail for them?
You're still maintaining that it was stolen? Okay.
Sa Calobra said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
As the survivor of a fatal crash caused by someone else but in which I was trapped next to my dead best friend I can only dread what lies ahead for the poor mum.
Even nearly 30 years on I think about it on an almost daily basis, I spent years blaming myself, asking so many “what ifs” and “why him” questions, but to have your own kids die will be unthinkable and now as a parent myself I genuinely wonder if i would rather have died too, it’s so hard to comprehend how to begin to recover regardless of anything the courts and police can do...........
I can't even begin to comprehend what you must have gone through. Even nearly 30 years on I think about it on an almost daily basis, I spent years blaming myself, asking so many “what ifs” and “why him” questions, but to have your own kids die will be unthinkable and now as a parent myself I genuinely wonder if i would rather have died too, it’s so hard to comprehend how to begin to recover regardless of anything the courts and police can do...........
I suffered a broken cheek,eye socket, skull fracture, displaced and broken wrist, broken arm, fractured sternum, multiple pelvis fractures, broken hip, broken thigh bone, displaced and broken knee, ligament damage, once I was cut out I “died” twice, once in the ambulance and once in casualty. I lost consciousness on impact but came round and then lost it again after I had been cut out.
I crashed evading two cars that were racing side by side on a country road. I swerved into a field but was stopped by two large trees.
My experience is why I jump all over these incidents and try to steer things away from race issues. It’s another case of probably young men having access to powerful cars and racing them.
When I was in my teens an xr3i made you a hero and an RS Turbo made you a rockstar but look at the performance of those cars against cars of today, go on Autotrader and see what 5k can get you, then add some performance tuning and it’s bloody frightening what these cars can do.
The cultural issues are relevant, in my opinion, because we have a lack of communication and subsequently,from my experience, we have youths from some areas who are almost untouchable and exploit that to the maximum.
There are some huge problems with the young British Pakistani men in certain areas of the uk having access to powerful cars and a confidence that they are pretty unlikely to be challenged in their own community areas, the racing is like most young men, it’s showing off.
Trouble is, these days it’s an RS3 etc so the scope or carnage is huge.
Again, my thoughts are with the poor mother, her life is truly over.
Shuvi McTupya said:
Lets reserve our judgements for now, the young man is Innitcent until proven guilty..
To a point I agree, witness appears to suggest racing, how long for, who knows, was it a car chasing the other for more sinister reasons, who knows. The facts are that two powerful cars have been involved and the occupants of one have run off and even now have not been found, the longer that goes on the more a circle of friends/ family become complicit.
Again, I don’t blame race, I blame young men in fast cars who have no idea of the carnage they can cause until they actually do.
For the record, I’m one of these horrible people who thinks that when someone under 21 gets caught speeding or on the phone I would sit them down to speak to the family of a lost teen, I’d show them some photos too. All in the hope that they can even begin to comprehend both the responsibility and the consequences of driving a car.
Of course, in this day and age it would probably be some kind of infringement of human rights etc, but I would happily volunteer and explain how things work in the real world.........
Of course, in this day and age it would probably be some kind of infringement of human rights etc, but I would happily volunteer and explain how things work in the real world.........
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Sa Calobra said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
As the survivor of a fatal crash caused by someone else but in which I was trapped next to my dead best friend I can only dread what lies ahead for the poor mum.
Even nearly 30 years on I think about it on an almost daily basis, I spent years blaming myself, asking so many “what ifs” and “why him” questions, but to have your own kids die will be unthinkable and now as a parent myself I genuinely wonder if i would rather have died too, it’s so hard to comprehend how to begin to recover regardless of anything the courts and police can do...........
I can't even begin to comprehend what you must have gone through. Even nearly 30 years on I think about it on an almost daily basis, I spent years blaming myself, asking so many “what ifs” and “why him” questions, but to have your own kids die will be unthinkable and now as a parent myself I genuinely wonder if i would rather have died too, it’s so hard to comprehend how to begin to recover regardless of anything the courts and police can do...........
I suffered a broken cheek,eye socket, skull fracture, displaced and broken wrist, broken arm, fractured sternum, multiple pelvis fractures, broken hip, broken thigh bone, displaced and broken knee, ligament damage, once I was cut out I “died” twice, once in the ambulance and once in casualty. I lost consciousness on impact but came round and then lost it again after I had been cut out.
I crashed evading two cars that were racing side by side on a country road. I swerved into a field but was stopped by two large trees.
My experience is why I jump all over these incidents and try to steer things away from race issues. It’s another case of probably young men having access to powerful cars and racing them.
When I was in my teens an xr3i made you a hero and an RS Turbo made you a rockstar but look at the performance of those cars against cars of today, go on Autotrader and see what 5k can get you, then add some performance tuning and it’s bloody frightening what these cars can do.
The cultural issues are relevant, in my opinion, because we have a lack of communication and subsequently,from my experience, we have youths from some areas who are almost untouchable and exploit that to the maximum.
There are some huge problems with the young British Pakistani men in certain areas of the uk having access to powerful cars and a confidence that they are pretty unlikely to be challenged in their own community areas, the racing is like most young men, it’s showing off.
Trouble is, these days it’s an RS3 etc so the scope or carnage is huge.
Again, my thoughts are with the poor mother, her life is truly over.
Stability control, better tyres and 4wd have mitigated things but physics is a b
h and has not changed.Be nice if these guys came on here, got involved and absorbed some of the vibe about appropriate speed.
I remember being on Bury New Road trying to cross when a bit pissed and a Gallardo was racing a Conti GT, they weren’t hanging about, all young Asian lads, is it really that important ? If it is, get. Track day !
blade7 said:
Is he white British? Any demographic could ask that on here without fear of being labelled a racist I'm guessing....
Do you know what, without any known identities it could be any one, it could be two random drivers, maybe the runaway Audi driver challenged the Bentley driver after appearing alongside him, totally random. However that still doesn’t make it a race issue, I mean for Christ’s sake look at the victims, this isn’t brown people killing white people, it’s an avoidable accident and the religion and nationality is irrelevant.I notice now that a 23 year old has been arrested, a bloody waste all round
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Sa Calobra said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
As the survivor of a fatal crash caused by someone else but in which I was trapped next to my dead best friend I can only dread what lies ahead for the poor mum.
Even nearly 30 years on I think about it on an almost daily basis, I spent years blaming myself, asking so many “what ifs” and “why him” questions, but to have your own kids die will be unthinkable and now as a parent myself I genuinely wonder if i would rather have died too, it’s so hard to comprehend how to begin to recover regardless of anything the courts and police can do...........
I can't even begin to comprehend what you must have gone through. Even nearly 30 years on I think about it on an almost daily basis, I spent years blaming myself, asking so many “what ifs” and “why him” questions, but to have your own kids die will be unthinkable and now as a parent myself I genuinely wonder if i would rather have died too, it’s so hard to comprehend how to begin to recover regardless of anything the courts and police can do...........
I suffered a broken cheek,eye socket, skull fracture, displaced and broken wrist, broken arm, fractured sternum, multiple pelvis fractures, broken hip, broken thigh bone, displaced and broken knee, ligament damage, once I was cut out I “died” twice, once in the ambulance and once in casualty. I lost consciousness on impact but came round and then lost it again after I had been cut out.
I crashed evading two cars that were racing side by side on a country road. I swerved into a field but was stopped by two large trees.
My experience is why I jump all over these incidents and try to steer things away from race issues. It’s another case of probably young men having access to powerful cars and racing them.
When I was in my teens an xr3i made you a hero and an RS Turbo made you a rockstar but look at the performance of those cars against cars of today, go on Autotrader and see what 5k can get you, then add some performance tuning and it’s bloody frightening what these cars can do.
The cultural issues are relevant, in my opinion, because we have a lack of communication and subsequently,from my experience, we have youths from some areas who are almost untouchable and exploit that to the maximum.
There are some huge problems with the young British Pakistani men in certain areas of the uk having access to powerful cars and a confidence that they are pretty unlikely to be challenged in their own community areas, the racing is like most young men, it’s showing off.
Trouble is, these days it’s an RS3 etc so the scope or carnage is huge.
Again, my thoughts are with the poor mother, her life is truly over.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
blade7 said:
Is he white British? Any demographic could ask that on here without fear of being labelled a racist I'm guessing....
Do you know what, without any known identities it could be any one, it could be two random drivers, maybe the runaway Audi driver challenged the Bentley driver after appearing alongside him, totally random. However that still doesn’t make it a race issue, I mean for Christ’s sake look at the victims, this isn’t brown people killing white people, it’s an avoidable accident and the religion and nationality is irrelevant.I notice now that a 23 year old has been arrested, a bloody waste all round
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