Will you still love cars when they’re all electric?
Discussion
HustleRussell said:
I might not ‘love’ contemporary electric cars, but that doesn’t mean I won’t love driving.
I'm with this.It's the act of driving that is to be enjoyed for me; The handling etc.
Noise and the like plays second fiddle, as a nice bonus:- It'll never be the same as revving an NA engine right out, but it'll do.
I do look forward to the next iterations of performance hybrids. The NSX, And hopefully next Civic Type R should prove very intresting - Electric motors with fine computer control of power output, and the instant torque abilities to match will, in my opinion usher in a new stage of "jet fighter" like handling, with current brake based torque vectoring / differentials, ABS / TC all superceded by assistance motors, whilst the engine is there for high speeds and drama.
Edited by Haltamer on Monday 18th March 01:26
RDMcG said:
Wrong generation and it does not matter....
I grew up with the IC engineerings and did not yearn for horses.
The young people of today do not worry about rotary dial telephones, black and white TVs,CD, or a myriad of stuff of the past.
--as the IC engine will bel
You don’t yearn for horses but then you also don’t know what you are missing. Riding can be just as fun (and thrilling) as driving and much less predictable as you are on top of a living creature not in a machine.I grew up with the IC engineerings and did not yearn for horses.
The young people of today do not worry about rotary dial telephones, black and white TVs,CD, or a myriad of stuff of the past.
--as the IC engine will bel
Esceptico said:
RDMcG said:
Wrong generation and it does not matter....
I grew up with the IC engineerings and did not yearn for horses.
The young people of today do not worry about rotary dial telephones, black and white TVs,CD, or a myriad of stuff of the past.
--as the IC engine will bel
You don’t yearn for horses but then you also don’t know what you are missing. Riding can be just as fun (and thrilling) as driving and much less predictable as you are on top of a living creature not in a machine.I grew up with the IC engineerings and did not yearn for horses.
The young people of today do not worry about rotary dial telephones, black and white TVs,CD, or a myriad of stuff of the past.
--as the IC engine will bel
EV's will see the same division of where the mainstream moves to the simple efficient maçine and the enthusiast goes with the noisy complex inefficient option.
I wouldn't mind something like a Caterham 160 with a light electric powered motor. Not sure if the technology is out there for really light stuff. Would be fun if/when we are all forced down the electric route.
For family, shopping commuting cars it doesn't bother me what powers them.
For family, shopping commuting cars it doesn't bother me what powers them.
The top sporty ones will br thrilling in terms of acceleration, but they'll still be silent, one geared things.
Aural noise from an engine is by and large what makes a car , a car to me. Even a four banger b18 engine in an Integral is like music. Having the whine, when it's noisy sounds ok , e.g the Mugen bikes used for the electric TT but overall a massive part of what I enjoyed will be gone. I'll find that hard to deal with personally.
Aural noise from an engine is by and large what makes a car , a car to me. Even a four banger b18 engine in an Integral is like music. Having the whine, when it's noisy sounds ok , e.g the Mugen bikes used for the electric TT but overall a massive part of what I enjoyed will be gone. I'll find that hard to deal with personally.
Tickle said:
I wouldn't mind something like a Caterham 160 with a light electric powered motor. Not sure if the technology is out there for really light stuff. Would be fun if/when we are all forced down the electric route.
For family, shopping commuting cars it doesn't bother me what powers them.
Thats exactly what this isFor family, shopping commuting cars it doesn't bother me what powers them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8bV8SKeQOo
Its going to end up about 850kg though, things will improve on the weight as energy density climbs.
RobDickinson said:
Tickle said:
I wouldn't mind something like a Caterham 160 with a light electric powered motor. Not sure if the technology is out there for really light stuff. Would be fun if/when we are all forced down the electric route.
For family, shopping commuting cars it doesn't bother me what powers them.
Thats exactly what this isFor family, shopping commuting cars it doesn't bother me what powers them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8bV8SKeQOo
Its going to end up about 850kg though, things will improve on the weight as energy density climbs.
Tickle said:
Looks fun! Will be interesting to see how the likes of Caterham and Ariel will adapt. For performance I suppose it will be good once the weight issue is refined a bit. The CoG maybe lower with placement of battery packs and the power delivery will make for some insane acceleration.
Ariel have been developing an EV car for a couple of years now and the figures are mind bending! (literally)https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ariel-...
hopefully prices may come down a little as manufacturing increases
Link added Edited by likesachange on Monday 18th March 08:25
Edited by likesachange on Monday 18th March 08:40
I’m not saying I don’t like electric cars. I do and I’m very much looking forward to my first electric daily driver. I’m just making the point that without the sounds, smells and sensations of old technology and with the limitations of the public road I doubt I’ll find much fun in electric performance cars. And petrolheads are already boring people. Imagine sitting in the pub talking cars when there are no engines and gearboxes to discuss. Riveting!
The acceleration might be amazing but where are you going to use it? 0-100 in 5 seconds. Fun for a bit, but how many standing 0-100 runs can you do on the public road? More likely you’ll be doing 30-40mph minimum when you start. That means 40-100 in about 2 seconds. Then you have to slow down for traffic or police. I don’t doubt the giggle factor. I’m looking forward to that too. But it wears off and then what?
we have an EV and I've said this many times on here- as a domestic white good they excel. Average speed of my wife's car in 2 years has been an eye watering 17mph. I cycle a shade faster than that. We live in village, where within a mile of leaving home, we're on 60 mph empty moor roads------ rather than being city dwellers- so as an example- that's the reality of 95% of motoring for you folks.
just doing the churn of work, home, school, shopping its genius.
But, yes, I love the sound of a decent car, decent engine. They'll never vanish nor go.
However as a cyclist person, I'm more than happy not to be breathing all the crap from car exhausts in.
But I do genuinely believe, 90% of motorists couldn't care less what's beneath the bonnet- all that matters is road tax costs and MPG. When charging infrastructures get better and people stop being so negative about EV's, they'll really take off, as people will realise a few things
generally they're faster than most standard cars
they cost nothing to drive
reliability is way beyond any ICE car, thus servicing, thus actual real costs.- everyone knows someone with a tale of doom about their car and its problems.
ease of use (like remote heating) etc means they're just so much nicer to use
just doing the churn of work, home, school, shopping its genius.
But, yes, I love the sound of a decent car, decent engine. They'll never vanish nor go.
However as a cyclist person, I'm more than happy not to be breathing all the crap from car exhausts in.
But I do genuinely believe, 90% of motorists couldn't care less what's beneath the bonnet- all that matters is road tax costs and MPG. When charging infrastructures get better and people stop being so negative about EV's, they'll really take off, as people will realise a few things
generally they're faster than most standard cars
they cost nothing to drive
reliability is way beyond any ICE car, thus servicing, thus actual real costs.- everyone knows someone with a tale of doom about their car and its problems.
ease of use (like remote heating) etc means they're just so much nicer to use
SonicHedgeHog said:
I’m not saying I don’t like electric cars. I do and I’m very much looking forward to my first electric daily driver. I’m just making the point that without the sounds, smells and sensations of old technology and with the limitations of the public road I doubt I’ll find much fun in electric performance cars. And petrolheads are already boring people. Imagine sitting in the pub talking cars when there are no engines and gearboxes to discuss. Riveting!
I recently went from an M140i to an i3s and thought exactly like you. I thought it would potentially be the biggest mistake as I love cars.Three months in and I have to admit that I don't miss it at all. The noise was great and the acceleration brutal (for me anyway) but an EV gives me a sufficiently different experience that I'm not that bothered.
The M140i was brilliant in that it was the closest to an NA engine you could get from a turbo. However, as good as it was, an EV is so much better for pedal response. The 0.5 second lag isn't much but feels an age when you have instant torque to squeeze into gaps or overtake.
To me, my i3s feels faster in 90% of situations than the M140i. On a day to day basis that's far more important to my daily commute.
Ok so handling is still off but is only a matter of time. Once manufacturers have this sussed I won't be looking back.
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