RE: BMW M2 CS spied with manual gearbox

[WCZ]

Frimley111R said:

Given an M2C is £50k, How much do we think this will be?

my guess is £80-90k without options

[Gameface]

Surely not...

[Julian Thompson]

I put my name down on one of these when I learned they might be produced back in 2016. I think everyone in line for one of these is prepared for that price tag. Promises to be a special thing....

[Weekendrebuild]

cerb4.5lee said:

Time does fly and I forget how old the Z4M/E92 M3 are now. They are almost classics, and they even have dinosaur N/A engines and nobody is interested in that type of engine anymore! Turbo's rule thankfully.

Said no BMW enthusiast ever!!!

[Gameface]

I couldn't bring myself to pay that for one.

You're talking 100k with options, yeah?

A Quadrifoglio for £40k less FFS!

[Julian Thompson]

Gameface said:

I couldn't bring myself to pay that for one.

You're talking 100k with options, yeah?

A Quadrifoglio for £40k less FFS!

Mmm. And my current M4 Manual with 2k miles is worth £2.50 so it’s a heady cost to get into the M2CS but something tells me that it could just be the ultimate M car in a modern context from my perspective (which is eccentric and biased).

Alfa is nice tho.
Thanks for that thought

[Water Fairy]

Well they certainly made the most of the space inside the front wheel for those brakes didn't they!

[Water Fairy]

Weekendrebuild said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Time does fly and I forget how old the Z4M/E92 M3 are now. They are almost classics, and they even have dinosaur N/A engines and nobody is interested in that type of engine anymore! Turbo's rule thankfully.

So off the mark this must be a wind up cos no-one is that deluded or ignorant surely?

[cerb4.5lee]

Water Fairy said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Time does fly and I forget how old the Z4M/E92 M3 are now. They are almost classics, and they even have dinosaur N/A engines and nobody is interested in that type of engine anymore! Turbo's rule thankfully.

So off the mark this must be a wind up cos no-one is that deluded or ignorant surely?

No wind up from me, I much prefer the power delivery/torque from the current turbo engines. The old N/A engines were all about the top end of the revs and on the road I found that frustrating/pointless(fine on a track though). I like the on tap performance of the current torquey turbo engines much more.

[Julian Thompson]

cerb4.5lee said:

Water Fairy said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Time does fly and I forget how old the Z4M/E92 M3 are now. They are almost classics, and they even have dinosaur N/A engines and nobody is interested in that type of engine anymore! Turbo's rule thankfully.

So off the mark this must be a wind up cos no-one is that deluded or ignorant surely?

No wind up from me, I much prefer the power delivery/torque from the current turbo engines. The old N/A engines were all about the top end of the revs and on the road I found that frustrating/pointless(fine on a track though). I like the on tap performance of the current torquey turbo engines much more.

Brave post and agreement from me. I have NA cars and I love them dearly but on the road the M4 and it’s big turbo torque wins out for me. I’d definitely not want an all turbo collection but they definitely have their place as far as I’m concerned.

Edited by Julian Thompson on Monday 18th March 21:03

[Edible Roadkill]

WCZ said:

Frimley111R said:

Given an M2C is £50k, How much do we think this will be?

my guess is £80-90k without options

Id be surprised. I was thinking more 60-65k max before options. Otherwise it’s priced out the market.

Those carbon ceramics will be a big price option.

[Water Fairy]

Julian Thompson said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Water Fairy said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Time does fly and I forget how old the Z4M/E92 M3 are now. They are almost classics, and they even have dinosaur N/A engines and nobody is interested in that type of engine anymore! Turbo's rule thankfully.

So off the mark this must be a wind up cos no-one is that deluded or ignorant surely?

No wind up from me, I much prefer the power delivery/torque from the current turbo engines. The old N/A engines were all about the top end of the revs and on the road I found that frustrating/pointless(fine on a track though). I like the on tap performance of the current torquey turbo engines much more.

Brave post and agreement from me. I have NA cars and I love them dearly but on the road the M4 and it’s big turbo torque wins out for me. I’d definitely not want an all turbo collection but they definitely have their place as far as I’m concerned.

Edited by Julian Thompson on Monday 18th March 21:03

The original post stated that NA engines were dinosaurs and no-one is interested in them and turbos rule. If you prefer turbo engines fair enough but the original statement was, frankly, cobblers.

[cerb4.5lee]

Water Fairy said:

Julian Thompson said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Water Fairy said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Time does fly and I forget how old the Z4M/E92 M3 are now. They are almost classics, and they even have dinosaur N/A engines and nobody is interested in that type of engine anymore! Turbo's rule thankfully.

So off the mark this must be a wind up cos no-one is that deluded or ignorant surely?

No wind up from me, I much prefer the power delivery/torque from the current turbo engines. The old N/A engines were all about the top end of the revs and on the road I found that frustrating/pointless(fine on a track though). I like the on tap performance of the current torquey turbo engines much more.

Brave post and agreement from me. I have NA cars and I love them dearly but on the road the M4 and it’s big turbo torque wins out for me. I’d definitely not want an all turbo collection but they definitely have their place as far as I’m concerned.

Edited by Julian Thompson on Monday 18th March 21:03

The original post stated that NA engines were dinosaurs and no-one is interested in them and turbos rule. If you prefer turbo engines fair enough but the original statement was, frankly, cobblers.

N/A engines are old school now though in fairness. BMW don't make them anymore and if they were that great then why did BMW stop making them? Turbos do rule in modern cars now and N/A engines do seem to be a thing of the past...in saying that though I wouldn't say no to a V8 Mustang and that is still soldiering on with a N/A engine.

[macky17]

cerb4.5lee said:

N/A engines are old school now though in fairness. BMW don't make them anymore and if they were that great then why did BMW stop making them? Turbos do rule in modern cars now and N/A engines do seem to be a thing of the past...in saying that though I wouldn't say no to a V8 Mustang and that is still soldiering on with a N/A engine.

Either a wind-up or you're very young (under 25?). The change is due to emissions legislation and to pass contrived fuel consumption tests. I agree that a daily driver is great with forced induction but a weekend toy should be na imo. Drive a tvr or gt3 or modern corvette or caterham in anger and see how you feel then.

[Curv3hunter]

Yellowcab said:

Got these 763Ms on my M2C, totally changes the look of the car

Makes such a difference compared to standard wheels.

Is that lowered? Or just standard height.

[PowerslideSWE]

cerb4.5lee said:

Water Fairy said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Time does fly and I forget how old the Z4M/E92 M3 are now. They are almost classics, and they even have dinosaur N/A engines and nobody is interested in that type of engine anymore! Turbo's rule thankfully.

So off the mark this must be a wind up cos no-one is that deluded or ignorant surely?

No wind up from me, I much prefer the power delivery/torque from the current turbo engines. The old N/A engines were all about the top end of the revs and on the road I found that frustrating/pointless(fine on a track though). I like the on tap performance of the current torquey turbo engines much more.

Each to their own. My e39 M5 has no lack of torque tho, no lack anywhere infact.

[cerb4.5lee]

macky17 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

N/A engines are old school now though in fairness. BMW don't make them anymore and if they were that great then why did BMW stop making them? Turbos do rule in modern cars now and N/A engines do seem to be a thing of the past...in saying that though I wouldn't say no to a V8 Mustang and that is still soldiering on with a N/A engine.

Either a wind-up or you're very young (under 25?). The change is due to emissions legislation and to pass contrived fuel consumption tests. I agree that a daily driver is great with forced induction but a weekend toy should be na imo. Drive a tvr or gt3 or modern corvette or caterham in anger and see how you feel then.

25...I wish...I'm 46 this year. They are old fashioned engines because they don't meet current legislation and that is a simple fact. I had a V8 Cerbera for 6 years so I have a rough idea what a nice N/A engine feels like thanks.

I've also had the well regarded(apparently from what I'd read/engine awards etc) BMW S54(Z4M)/S65(E92 M3) N/A engines...and I honestly do not understand why all the fuss was made about them(they are old engines from a bygone era for me).

Granted my preference is a gutsy feeling forced induction engine though, but I stand by the fact that I think BMW's N/A engines were over rated and I'm not sad to see the back of them. I embrace the M2 and M4 with open arms and for me that engine is better in every way.

[daveco]

cerb4.5lee said:

macky17 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

N/A engines are old school now though in fairness. BMW don't make them anymore and if they were that great then why did BMW stop making them? Turbos do rule in modern cars now and N/A engines do seem to be a thing of the past...in saying that though I wouldn't say no to a V8 Mustang and that is still soldiering on with a N/A engine.

Either a wind-up or you're very young (under 25?). The change is due to emissions legislation and to pass contrived fuel consumption tests. I agree that a daily driver is great with forced induction but a weekend toy should be na imo. Drive a tvr or gt3 or modern corvette or caterham in anger and see how you feel then.

25...I wish...I'm 46 this year. They are old fashioned engines because they don't meet current legislation and that is a simple fact. I had a V8 Cerbera for 6 years so I have a rough idea what a nice N/A engine feels like thanks.

I've also had the well regarded(apparently from what I'd read/engine awards etc) BMW S54(Z4M)/S65(E92 M3) N/A engines...and I honestly do not understand why all the fuss was made about them(they are old engines from a bygone era for me).

Granted my preference is a gutsy feeling forced induction engine though, but I stand by the fact that I think BMW's N/A engines were over rated and I'm not sad to see the back of them. I embrace the M2 and M4 with open arms and for me that engine is better in every way.

N/A engines definitely not dead! HC n/a engines are still being produced by Mazda and Toyota, with the Germans likely to follow.

Who would have thought it would still be possible to buy a 2.0 litre with close 190hp and no forced induction in 2019??

I'm in the other camp. Much prefer naturally aspirated engines and their power delivery, but wouldn't it be a boring place if we all liked the same thing??

[Gameface]

I've stuck with the same manufacturer and drive less cutting edge cars than I might, simply because they don't use turbos.

[cerb4.5lee]

Gameface said:

I've stuck with the same manufacturer and drive less cutting edge cars than I might, simply because they don't use turbos.

I think even I would be very happy with your less cutting edge cars for sure!!