RE: New Porsche Taycan details teased

[RacerMike]

B17NNS said:

It's a shame they've ruined it's looks. It's now an ungainly, lardy 911, 5 door hatchback. The concept was stunning - this is supposed to be the future, all new and exciting. Why couldn't it stay stunning? Oh, and exhausts?





And it's slower than a large American luxury 7 seat saloon for 'longevity reasons'?

All the cars still have camo attached currently. So I wouldn't be too critical just yet. Also, in person, it's smaller than a Panamera, so I don't think it's as much of a departure from the concept as it maybe seems from these photos.

[ntiz]

ntiz said:

B17NNS said:

It's a shame they've ruined it's looks. It's now an ungainly, lardy 911, 5 door hatchback. The concept was stunning - this is supposed to be the future, all new and exciting. Why couldn't it stay stunning? Oh, and exhausts?





And it's slower than a large American luxury 7 seat saloon for 'longevity reasons'?

The longevity thing is because if you buy a ludicrous Tesla and do more than I think 30-50 launches they turn it off permanently to protect the battery and if you use the supercharger network to much they turn it down I.e both mine and my Dads are limited to 80kw charging not the full 120. Also if you drive a Tesla really fast it limits your power after a couple of miles. Drove mine flat out down my favourite B road after 6 miles cut me to half throttle. All these things are understandable but could all be improved upon.

From what I have read Porsche have worked hard on making sure the range doesn’t fall off a cliff on the autobarn or when it gets cold. Which would be massive improvements over a Tesla if they could crack those issues.

Have they managed to do any better? Time will tell.

[HeMightBeBanned]

What’s an “autobarn”? An outbuilding where wealthy types store their collection of automobiles, a la Harry Metcalfe?

[MDL111]

ah that answers one of the questions I had, so the Tesla limits you quite quickly if you use a lot of power? That is clearly not great on the Autobahn, where the Porsche will spend a lot of time. I am really looking forward to seeing the finished car and at minimum test driving one. Let's hope it will look attractive and not too watered down from the concept.

[JBQC]

If only it looked like the concept

[Paracetamol]

I am sold. definately my next everyday car once we have a little more charging infrastructure here in the UAE

[ntiz]

It’s not so bad on the autobahn because maintaining a high speed doesn’t require full power although does start to limit you a little bit above 110 mph but not hugely. It’s the big drop in range at those speeds Porsche will be wanting to address. At 100 mph you are talking maybe 120 miles depending on conditions in a Tesla unless they have improved hugely since I got mine which seems unlikely. There is a reason most Tesla on the motorway are going a little under the speed limit.

It’s when you are accelerating hard repeatedly like down a good country with short blasts full throttle up to maybe 90 then down then back up again makes it limit you very quickly. Can’t imagine Porsche customers being super impressed with that. I know I’m not.

[RDMcG]

B17NNS said:

It's a shame they've ruined it's looks. It's now an ungainly, lardy 911, 5 door hatchback. The concept was stunning - this is supposed to be the future, all new and exciting. Why couldn't it stay stunning? Oh, and exhausts?





And it's slower than a large American luxury 7 seat saloon for 'longevity reasons'? :

My thoughts exactly.

[redroadster]

Think people should comment on looks in it's finished state ,I hope it drives well.

[Iamnotkloot]

RDMcG said:

B17NNS said:

It's a shame they've ruined it's looks. It's now an ungainly, lardy 911, 5 door hatchback. The concept was stunning - this is supposed to be the future, all new and exciting. Why couldn't it stay stunning? Oh, and exhausts?





And it's slower than a large American luxury 7 seat saloon for 'longevity reasons'? :

My thoughts exactly.

I think you two need to read Ntiz's real life commentary above before making these statements. Additionally, the exhausts are camo.

[MDL111]

ntiz said:

It’s not so bad on the autobahn because maintaining a high speed doesn’t require full power although does start to limit you a little bit above 110 mph but not hugely. It’s the big drop in range at those speeds Porsche will be wanting to address. At 100 mph you are talking maybe 120 miles depending on conditions in a Tesla unless they have improved hugely since I got mine which seems unlikely. There is a reason most Tesla on the motorway are going a little under the speed limit.

It’s when you are accelerating hard repeatedly like down a good country with short blasts full throttle up to maybe 90 then down then back up again makes it limit you very quickly. Can’t imagine Porsche customers being super impressed with that. I know I’m not.

Thank you - that is the issue I was a little worried about. I spend a lot of time accelerating from say 80 to 150 mph and back again. Constant speed of 150 plus does unfortunately not happen all that much anymore nowadays unless during the night .

Will be interesting to see what they come up with - I am still excited and hopeful. It should definitely be able to do the 150km Salzburg to Munich drive even without any energy conservation techniques, which takes care of a lot of my driving

[Nerdherder]

JohnCarlisleApeiron said:

It needs a better name.

Porsche is generally sh£t at names. They should stick to numbers or hire me to come up with product names worthy of their creations.

[RacerMike]

ntiz said:

It’s not so bad on the autobahn because maintaining a high speed doesn’t require full power although does start to limit you a little bit above 110 mph but not hugely. It’s the big drop in range at those speeds Porsche will be wanting to address. At 100 mph you are talking maybe 120 miles depending on conditions in a Tesla unless they have improved hugely since I got mine which seems unlikely. There is a reason most Tesla on the motorway are going a little under the speed limit.

It’s when you are accelerating hard repeatedly like down a good country with short blasts full throttle up to maybe 90 then down then back up again makes it limit you very quickly. Can’t imagine Porsche customers being super impressed with that. I know I’m not.

Not entirely true. Inverters don’t like sustained high rpm as the pole switching for the stator causes it to get pretty hot. The faster you go, the faster it needs to switch poles, so good cooling is important.....and surprisingly difficult. Because the windings are so tight, it’s really hard to get the heat out of them.

[Maldini35]

RacerMike said:

ntiz said:

It’s not so bad on the autobahn because maintaining a high speed doesn’t require full power although does start to limit you a little bit above 110 mph but not hugely. It’s the big drop in range at those speeds Porsche will be wanting to address. At 100 mph you are talking maybe 120 miles depending on conditions in a Tesla unless they have improved hugely since I got mine which seems unlikely. There is a reason most Tesla on the motorway are going a little under the speed limit.

It’s when you are accelerating hard repeatedly like down a good country with short blasts full throttle up to maybe 90 then down then back up again makes it limit you very quickly. Can’t imagine Porsche customers being super impressed with that. I know I’m not.

Not entirely true. Inverters don’t like sustained high rpm as the pole switching for the stator causes it to get pretty hot. The faster you go, the faster it needs to switch poles, so good cooling is important.....and surprisingly difficult. Because the windings are so tight, it’s really hard to get the heat out of them.

Genuinely interesting that - thanks

[Maldini35]

RacerMike said:

ntiz said:

It’s not so bad on the autobahn because maintaining a high speed doesn’t require full power although does start to limit you a little bit above 110 mph but not hugely. It’s the big drop in range at those speeds Porsche will be wanting to address. At 100 mph you are talking maybe 120 miles depending on conditions in a Tesla unless they have improved hugely since I got mine which seems unlikely. There is a reason most Tesla on the motorway are going a little under the speed limit.

It’s when you are accelerating hard repeatedly like down a good country with short blasts full throttle up to maybe 90 then down then back up again makes it limit you very quickly. Can’t imagine Porsche customers being super impressed with that. I know I’m not.

Not entirely true. Inverters don’t like sustained high rpm as the pole switching for the stator causes it to get pretty hot. The faster you go, the faster it needs to switch poles, so good cooling is important.....and surprisingly difficult. Because the windings are so tight, it’s really hard to get the heat out of them.

Genuinely interesting that - thanks

[ntiz]

Maldini35 said:

RacerMike said:

ntiz said:

It’s not so bad on the autobahn because maintaining a high speed doesn’t require full power although does start to limit you a little bit above 110 mph but not hugely. It’s the big drop in range at those speeds Porsche will be wanting to address. At 100 mph you are talking maybe 120 miles depending on conditions in a Tesla unless they have improved hugely since I got mine which seems unlikely. There is a reason most Tesla on the motorway are going a little under the speed limit.

It’s when you are accelerating hard repeatedly like down a good country with short blasts full throttle up to maybe 90 then down then back up again makes it limit you very quickly. Can’t imagine Porsche customers being super impressed with that. I know I’m not.

Not entirely true. Inverters don’t like sustained high rpm as the pole switching for the stator causes it to get pretty hot. The faster you go, the faster it needs to switch poles, so good cooling is important.....and surprisingly difficult. Because the windings are so tight, it’s really hard to get the heat out of them.

Genuinely interesting that - thanks

I have learnt something new today. I really don’t pretend to understand the technology. I can only offer my observations from 3.5 years of ownership.

I do wonder how they can solve these issues beyond better aerodynamics and better battery density?

[bluemason]

B17NNS said:

It's a shame they've ruined it's looks. It's now an ungainly, lardy 911, 5 door hatchback. The concept was stunning - this is supposed to be the future, all new and exciting. Why couldn't it stay stunning? Oh, and exhausts?





And it's slower than a large American luxury 7 seat saloon for 'longevity reasons'?

The production car will be the best looking 4 door electric car on the market.

[RobDickinson]

Well it won't look like that, they've ditched the suicide doors etc.

It'll look like every other Porsche just with 4 doors.

[Burnham]

I heard they will be doing a Sport Tourismo body, possibly to start with. Nice.

3/4 size Panamera is no bad thing.

[B17NNS]

bluemason said:

The production car will be the best looking 4 door electric car on the market.

If it looks anything like this I think it’s fair to call it a dogs breakfast.