RE: Defender at the Nurburgring!
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
However, you can still make a vehicle more complex than might be required. Electronic diffs instead of mechanical ones. Air suspension instead of coil springs. Terrain response systems rather than just a lever for low range. Convoluted drive systems and engines.
...or you could just learn how to fix modern systems and make sure you have the correct tools (such as a laptop/tablet) for fault diagnosis.FWIW - Hi-Lo is still the same as it always was, except the lever has been replaced by a motor. Even the "Convoluted drive systems" are still pretty easy to understand.
The sensors are pretty robust these days, it's error handling in the software which lets it all down. However, with a bit of knowledge (and a laptop), you can usually work out where the problem is and why the sensor isn't giving the 'brain' the information it needs.
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DonkeyApple said:
300bhp/ton said:
DonkeyApple said:
What if they don’t want to because it doesn’t make any commercial or business sense?
What doesn't?Actually, don't bother...
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camel_landy said:
DonkeyApple said:
300bhp/ton said:
DonkeyApple said:
What if they don’t want to because it doesn’t make any commercial or business sense?
What doesn't?Actually, don't bother...
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The 6 cylinder Series II/III wasn't really Solihull's finest hour, nor was the standard detuned Stage One V8, although that at least could be easily returned to full power, with the removal of choke plate in the carb/inlet iirc.
I've always fancied the idea of a BMW straight six petrol in a Land Rover utility, like they made for the South African domestic market. It'd be a good match, fairly low tech basic engine design, chain cam, durable construction and actually quite efficient.
I've always fancied the idea of a BMW straight six petrol in a Land Rover utility, like they made for the South African domestic market. It'd be a good match, fairly low tech basic engine design, chain cam, durable construction and actually quite efficient.
I do hope Landrover retain the wide range of body styles, would love a LWB four door new defender with the utility cargo area. The straight 6 petrol would be brilliant.
However a LWB I6 will probably end up costing £45k +++ so the best I can hope for is a SWB at £30k with a 2.0d, auto box and fingers crossed a decent finance deal. Doubt they would pay much trade in for my 1987 90, given its not exactly um original at all (engine box interior all different) might be funny to ask tho!
However a LWB I6 will probably end up costing £45k +++ so the best I can hope for is a SWB at £30k with a 2.0d, auto box and fingers crossed a decent finance deal. Doubt they would pay much trade in for my 1987 90, given its not exactly um original at all (engine box interior all different) might be funny to ask tho!
How have Land Rover not learned from all the other retro pastiches – Mini, 500, Beetle, and most of all G-Wagen? Create something that looks as much like a Defender as possible (with modern underpinnings) and you make a bundle of sales. Create what looks like a regular SUV and just has the name ‘Defender’ and you’ll sell very few. You already sell SUV’s, Land Rover.
je777 said:
How have Land Rover not learned from all the other retro pastiches – Mini, 500, Beetle, and most of all G-Wagen? Create something that looks as much like a Defender as possible (with modern underpinnings) and you make a bundle of sales. Create what looks like a regular SUV and just has the name ‘Defender’ and you’ll sell very few. You already sell SUV’s, Land Rover.
It's not difficult is it. The capabilities and refinement of a modern Range Rover wrapped up in an iconic and classic British design. Proverbial hot cakes.
Sixpackpert said:
Walter Sobchak said:
Wonder if it will be simple to fix like the old ones, as being a Land Rover everyone knows it’s going to break!, ‘air suspension inactive’ should be something never seen on a Defenders dashboard!.
Of course it won’t be. B17NNS said:
It's not difficult is it. The capabilities and refinement of a modern Range Rover wrapped up in an iconic and classic British design. Proverbial hot cakes.
It's a tough one isn't it? Sell something for the one life live it brigade that's mechanically simple and impossibly uncomfortable that they'll pick up second hand, or build something comfortable, capable and above all cool that the middle class will buy for a healthy profit. 
Bill said:
B17NNS said:
It's not difficult is it. The capabilities and refinement of a modern Range Rover wrapped up in an iconic and classic British design. Proverbial hot cakes.
It's a tough one isn't it? Sell something for the one life live it brigade that's mechanically simple and impossibly uncomfortable that they'll pick up second hand, or build something comfortable, capable and above all cool that the middle class will buy for a healthy profit. All this will do is cannibalise sales of other land Rovers and lose them the work/utility market entirely. You don't see Toyota wasting their time lapping the Ring in a Land cruiser. If you are telling me there isn't profit in the utility market them you should let Toyota know.
Edited by llcoolmac on Thursday 28th March 21:24
sheepman said:
406dogvan said:
It's not working tho - Discos/Velars/Sports/Full-Fats are too-pricey to sustain volume which only leaves the Evoque and whilst it sold well initially, quality issues have probably lost JLR more customers than they'll ever admit (few people would ever own 2?!) 
See also the Jag XE - the X type was never a roaring success but it had it's own market wheras the XE is blatantly "poor man's XF" (no-one ever called the X-Type a "poor mans XJ or S Type" did they?" - model distinction is worth having
Once upon a time, LR had a solid business selling Freelanders and 'regular' Defenders to 'regular' people (before Defenders became trophy trinkets) but they walked away from those people entirely and are learning you cannot live on supercharged specials alone, you need volume behind that - you need to be making cars for regular people.
I remember those days too, build targets could be hit by Wednesday on a production line running at a snails pace leaving us all sat round doing f all for the rest of the week. Fast forward to today and you've got build halls running 24hrs a day at 42 p/h and still they want more. But you think theyre struggling with sustaining volume? See also the Jag XE - the X type was never a roaring success but it had it's own market wheras the XE is blatantly "poor man's XF" (no-one ever called the X-Type a "poor mans XJ or S Type" did they?" - model distinction is worth having
Once upon a time, LR had a solid business selling Freelanders and 'regular' Defenders to 'regular' people (before Defenders became trophy trinkets) but they walked away from those people entirely and are learning you cannot live on supercharged specials alone, you need volume behind that - you need to be making cars for regular people.
There's even talk of putting castle brom back onto 2 shifts as they can't cope with the current demand. (3 day week was short lived eh?)
Some of the crap posted here about JLR is unbelievable.
Yep had an hours catchback today .We can’t build enough on dayshift .
They want us to do 4/5 with a fixed Friday off ,then overtime done on the Friday Saturday Sunday . When needed .
We will vote on it soon so I’m told by my union rep.
Then if demand rises that we cant be met working all week and weekend .2 shifts come in .
They are reluctant to go 2 shifts as you basically double the track workers/forklift drivers /maintenance. Etc.......plus give all these workers shift allowance.
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