RE: Porsche 911 (992) Carrera S: UK Drive
Discussion
garyhun said:
j90gta said:
garyhun said:
j90gta said:
Are the prices before or after Brexit tariffs have been added?
I think you know the answer to that, don't you?With new European-built cars becoming more expensive I presume that used values will also rise. Will be interesting to see what happens to new and used values of UK built cars.
Nerdherder said:
RB5_245 said:
Interesting comment about the size, one of my few complaints about owning a gtr is the sheer size of the damn thing. I'm sure if I could figure out how to access the wasted space in there I'd be able to make a fortune smuggling immigrants across the channel.
Or smuggling Brits out of the UK in the near future...big_rob_sydney said:
Wow. 110k for a carrera.
I saw a comment about being in a bigger car being good if you have an accident; geez. Why dont we all drive around in an Abrams Tank then? Point being, the 911 used to be tiny. Park up an early one next to the latest one, and you'd think these current fat b
ds actually ATE the early one.
Must be just me, but cars are getting bigger and heavier, and I'm being turned off more and more by "sports" cars getting fat. I think they're growing older disgracefully, but with a sly intention to open space lower in the range for new models to take their place. EG 911 displaced by Box and Cay.
The fatter sports cars become the more it limits the roads you can use them on. It's a pain with my cars.I saw a comment about being in a bigger car being good if you have an accident; geez. Why dont we all drive around in an Abrams Tank then? Point being, the 911 used to be tiny. Park up an early one next to the latest one, and you'd think these current fat b
ds actually ATE the early one.Must be just me, but cars are getting bigger and heavier, and I'm being turned off more and more by "sports" cars getting fat. I think they're growing older disgracefully, but with a sly intention to open space lower in the range for new models to take their place. EG 911 displaced by Box and Cay.
I have sat in one, and it is more like my Panamera interior, so was not as big a change as I had been expecting.. Not in love with the little gearshift though the old one was largely cosmetic. Will be interesting to see how this layout accommodates a manual.
Overall appears to be a good advance and will follow my normal habit for a 3RS; will take a while though.
Overall appears to be a good advance and will follow my normal habit for a 3RS; will take a while though.
Good looking car (I quite like the way the exhausts are moulded into the rear bumper), but personally the 911 has always come second fiddle to an Aston, Jag, Nissan, Audi, or a couple of other cars in the market sector.
I've been lucky enough to own a 911 (997.1 C2S) amongst its competitors and while I don't deny it's a good car and completely understand why a lot of folks love the car, personally it's not the one for me. Life would be boring if we all liked the same thing - I'm not saying the 911 is an awful car at all, simply that I prefer other cars instead.
I've been lucky enough to own a 911 (997.1 C2S) amongst its competitors and while I don't deny it's a good car and completely understand why a lot of folks love the car, personally it's not the one for me. Life would be boring if we all liked the same thing - I'm not saying the 911 is an awful car at all, simply that I prefer other cars instead.
Second Best said:
Good looking car (I quite like the way the exhausts are moulded into the rear bumper), but personally the 911 has always come second fiddle to an Aston, Jag, Nissan, Audi, or a couple of other cars in the market sector.
I've been lucky enough to own a 911 (997.1 C2S) amongst its competitors and while I don't deny it's a good car and completely understand why a lot of folks love the car, personally it's not the one for me. Life would be boring if we all liked the same thing - I'm not saying the 911 is an awful car at all, simply that I prefer other cars instead.
Absolutely right. If the market had only one point of view we would have one kind of carI've been lucky enough to own a 911 (997.1 C2S) amongst its competitors and while I don't deny it's a good car and completely understand why a lot of folks love the car, personally it's not the one for me. Life would be boring if we all liked the same thing - I'm not saying the 911 is an awful car at all, simply that I prefer other cars instead.
...RDMcG said:
I have sat in one, and it is more like my Panamera interior, so was not as big a change as I had been expecting.. Not in love with the little gearshift though the old one was largely cosmetic. Will be interesting to see how this layout accommodates a manual.
Overall appears to be a good advance and will follow my normal habit for a 3RS; will take a while though.
I mean this with the greatest respect, but, ever considered a Ferrari or Lamborghini? Perhaps an F8 or a Huracan Evo? Overall appears to be a good advance and will follow my normal habit for a 3RS; will take a while though.
Was at the the launch party up my way last night. My friend and I both had the same thoughts. The rear end looks odd and when the spoiler pops up it looks even worse. The plastic round the exhaust looked cheap. The interior looked bland and felt cheap and plasticy. The seats were lovely and comfy but gripping at the same time. Overall we weren't impressed at all.
BlackPrince said:
I mean this with the greatest respect, but, ever considered a Ferrari or Lamborghini? Perhaps an F8 or a Huracan Evo?
I am quite honestly too old for that kind of car- no reflection on the cars at all, but the Porsches seem to transcend age. I love the Ferrari 488 for example, but I do not think its great for a 70 year old. The Porsches are like old shoes though and I still track them so they more or less fit the bill. They do not really stick out so much as they look like all of the other Porsches on earth to the average person.At some stage I expect I will not do those things and get some kind of autonomous electric sofa with a great sound system and internet browsing,
Not yet though
nicksclark said:
Was at the the launch party up my way last night. My friend and I both had the same thoughts. The rear end looks odd and when the spoiler pops up it looks even worse. The plastic round the exhaust looked cheap. The interior looked bland and felt cheap and plasticy. The seats were lovely and comfy but gripping at the same time. Overall we weren't impressed at all.
But did you drive it? I tend to put how a car drives above cosmetic stuff.Certainly, if it was a Honda Civic Type R but it's a Porsche 911. There is cheap-looking plastic around the exhaust, the front air intake and also inside the cabin which is clearly a nasty sign of cost cutting. Given how pricier they've got over the years (and making something as basic as power seats optional in the process) this is a problem difficult to overlook unless Porsche's goal with the 992 was to consciously follow in the footsteps of the 996 for some reason.
Twoshoe said:
nicksclark said:
Was at the the launch party up my way last night. My friend and I both had the same thoughts. The rear end looks odd and when the spoiler pops up it looks even worse. The plastic round the exhaust looked cheap. The interior looked bland and felt cheap and plasticy. The seats were lovely and comfy but gripping at the same time. Overall we weren't impressed at all.
But did you drive it? I tend to put how a car drives above cosmetic stuff.big_rob_sydney said:
PhilboSE said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Wow. 110k for a carrera.
I saw a comment about being in a bigger car being good if you have an accident; geez. Why dont we all drive around in an Abrams Tank then? Point being, the 911 used to be tiny. Park up an early one next to the latest one, and you'd think these current fat bds actually ATE the early one.
Must be just me, but cars are getting bigger and heavier, and I'm being turned off more and more by "sports" cars getting fat. I think they're growing older disgracefully, but with a sly intention to open space lower in the range for new models to take their place. EG 911 displaced by Box and Cay.
Says the man who chooses to drive himself around in a Lexus LS.I saw a comment about being in a bigger car being good if you have an accident; geez. Why dont we all drive around in an Abrams Tank then? Point being, the 911 used to be tiny. Park up an early one next to the latest one, and you'd think these current fat b
ds actually ATE the early one.Must be just me, but cars are getting bigger and heavier, and I'm being turned off more and more by "sports" cars getting fat. I think they're growing older disgracefully, but with a sly intention to open space lower in the range for new models to take their place. EG 911 displaced by Box and Cay.
And if you don't understand why a modern 911 is, after 5 major generations and 50 years, significantly bigger & heavier than the 1965 version, then there is no hope.
head would think an LS was pretending to be a sportscar.You can make whatever excuses you like for this car; Porsche can clearly make smaller, nimbler cars (refer to Box and Cay comment for the deaf, dumb, blind, and f
kwit).My concerns about the 992 were many, the engine of the 991.2 was good but soulless while much of the exterior, especially the bubble butt & wing, looked oddly implemented and ugly on the mules.
The finished product is still a bit of a mixed bag in my opinion, the coupe needs the sports design rear bumper to work, but the cabriolet looks much better this generation, the curve of the rear into the bumper is perfectly angled; while the exhausts seem odd, I like a sports on the 991's but the fake pipes look worse than the standard exhaust on the 992, the car does have a fair amount of black plastic on it it too, which is disappointing; as for the engine, it seems improved, allowed to rev higher and give more linear power without turbo lag, something I'm really interested in experiencing for myself; finally he interior is excellent apart from the little gear selector thingy, a minor niggle really.
I spec'd a Carrera S as I'd want one. it came to £128k, I know some of that is due to the fall in the £, but it still seems high for a non-special 911, I think I spec'd a GT3 Touring to £5k more (not that they'd sell me one, the gits), and that does put the base 911 up against the new Vantage and among some interesting company in the used card market.
As a fan of Porsche and a previous owner I'd put a deposit on the 992 GT3 now, today, if they'd let me have one, but I don't have any desire for the 992 Carrera's, maybe used, in the perfect spec and under £100k, but new, nope.
The finished product is still a bit of a mixed bag in my opinion, the coupe needs the sports design rear bumper to work, but the cabriolet looks much better this generation, the curve of the rear into the bumper is perfectly angled; while the exhausts seem odd, I like a sports on the 991's but the fake pipes look worse than the standard exhaust on the 992, the car does have a fair amount of black plastic on it it too, which is disappointing; as for the engine, it seems improved, allowed to rev higher and give more linear power without turbo lag, something I'm really interested in experiencing for myself; finally he interior is excellent apart from the little gear selector thingy, a minor niggle really.
I spec'd a Carrera S as I'd want one. it came to £128k, I know some of that is due to the fall in the £, but it still seems high for a non-special 911, I think I spec'd a GT3 Touring to £5k more (not that they'd sell me one, the gits), and that does put the base 911 up against the new Vantage and among some interesting company in the used card market.
As a fan of Porsche and a previous owner I'd put a deposit on the 992 GT3 now, today, if they'd let me have one, but I don't have any desire for the 992 Carrera's, maybe used, in the perfect spec and under £100k, but new, nope.
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