Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 14]

[Jimmy Recard]

E65Ross said:

Just find a Euro 350bhp/350lbft engine and never rev it above about 4500-5000rpm....same thing

Don’t make the mistake of thinking that Chrysler’s engineering was inferior. It was intended to be cheaper and more robust than (for example) the 4.4 you would’ve got in an X5 or Range Rover, and it was.

The Chrysler 545RFE is a stronger gearbox than the ZF in the Range Rover and X5 too. If bhp/litre is the metric, the Grand Cherokee is certainly inferior but by other metrics is superior. It depends on your priorities

[bolidemichael]

W00DY said:

stickleback123 said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Unlikely to fall into thread range but I thought it was worth posting

https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=29...

I like these, a lot, but the S80 V8 never seems to be advertised at the sort of price where far better alternatives aren't available. For example £6500 is X350 Jaguar XJR territory, a wildly superior car in every way. Even a 4.2 XJ8 is a much better car than the posh Mondeo V8.

Presumably they sell at that price though, you never see them sinking to £2500.

Just so few of them out there meaning that the enthusiasts will keep prices from falling too low.I always wanted a ZT260 when they got cheap, but they never did.

Your post reminded me that I wanted to see what X351s were down to price wise, but nothing quite thread yet. This had me drooling before I spotted it




https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

fking leapers still ruining XJs.

IIRC the S80 runs a Yamaha V8... what's the connection with the Mondeo?

The Jag looks great and the leaper, gash.

[anonymous-user]

bolidemichael said:

IIRC the S80 runs a Yamaha V8... what's the connection with the Mondeo?

The Jag looks great and the leaper, gash.

Amazing price for that XJ, and a great interior colour scheme. I won't mention the leaper.

The S80 is built on the Ford EUCD platform, same as the contemporaneous Mondeo, S-Max, and Freelander; this platform also forms the basis of the various marketing driven transverse engine products that JLR turn out today! The EUCD and C1 platform Volvos are absolutely full of FoMoCo branded parts, you often see that little logo on bits that break.

[EarlofDrift]

bolidemichael said:

W00DY said:

stickleback123 said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Unlikely to fall into thread range but I thought it was worth posting

https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=29...

I like these, a lot, but the S80 V8 never seems to be advertised at the sort of price where far better alternatives aren't available. For example £6500 is X350 Jaguar XJR territory, a wildly superior car in every way. Even a 4.2 XJ8 is a much better car than the posh Mondeo V8.

Presumably they sell at that price though, you never see them sinking to £2500.

Just so few of them out there meaning that the enthusiasts will keep prices from falling too low.I always wanted a ZT260 when they got cheap, but they never did.

Your post reminded me that I wanted to see what X351s were down to price wise, but nothing quite thread yet. This had me drooling before I spotted it




https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

fking leapers still ruining XJs.

IIRC the S80 runs a Yamaha V8... what's the connection with the Mondeo?

The Jag looks great and the leaper, gash.

Leapers look rubbish on anything other than a 90's XJ, even with 150k miles it looks good value. XJ values fall off a cliff even after a few years.

There's a 2018 XJ at a nearby dealer which list was about £65k new, now with 10k miles it's £35k.

I bought a 98 XJ in 2006 for £2k trade which someone in 2001 paid £22,500 for, it was phenomenal value.

[ATM]

Jimmy Recard said:

E65Ross said:

Just find a Euro 350bhp/350lbft engine and never rev it above about 4500-5000rpm....same thing

Don’t make the mistake of thinking that Chrysler’s engineering was inferior. It was intended to be cheaper and more robust than (for example) the 4.4 you would’ve got in an X5 or Range Rover, and it was.

The Chrysler 545RFE is a stronger gearbox than the ZF in the Range Rover and X5 too. If bhp/litre is the metric, the Grand Cherokee is certainly inferior but by other metrics is superior. It depends on your priorities

Which metric is it superior, robustness?

I know American trucks are built to just keep on trucking forever but they're a cheap product in their home market.

What do they drive like? It seems most car people I know in UK tell me they're rubbish but I get the feeling that's just a reputation or brand thing with no substance.

[anonymous-user]

On the S80 Yamaha V8 thing, my understanding (could be wrong), is that they were simply hired to build Volvo's design. Didn't the fist iteration of that engine also contain a fairly major design flaw in relation to oil?

[Macron]

janesmith1950 said:

On the S80 Yamaha V8 thing, my understanding (could be wrong), is that they were simply hired to build Volvo's design. Didn't the fist iteration of that engine also contain a fairly major design flaw in relation to oil?

Yes, build to print. Yam ran CFD and a mini bench test and said to Volvo it would sludge, Volvo said “build to print”. They did, it sludged.

Fortunately mods were applied before the engine got to us, it was the early American ones in the XC90 that suffered.

The Yamaha connection is bizzarely overblown.

[E65Ross]

ATM said:

Jimmy Recard said:

E65Ross said:

Just find a Euro 350bhp/350lbft engine and never rev it above about 4500-5000rpm....same thing

Don’t make the mistake of thinking that Chrysler’s engineering was inferior. It was intended to be cheaper and more robust than (for example) the 4.4 you would’ve got in an X5 or Range Rover, and it was.

The Chrysler 545RFE is a stronger gearbox than the ZF in the Range Rover and X5 too. If bhp/litre is the metric, the Grand Cherokee is certainly inferior but by other metrics is superior. It depends on your priorities

Which metric is it superior, robustness?

I know American trucks are built to just keep on trucking forever but they're a cheap product in their home market.

What do they drive like? It seems most car people I know in UK tell me they're rubbish but I get the feeling that's just a reputation or brand thing with no substance.

I remember when I went to Texas going in some American tank/station wagon estate thing. I have literally no idea what it was aside from the fact it was huge and had what looked like a panel of wood going down each side. It was certainly, erm, interesting in the corners. Fortunately, they don't have too many of them out there

[bolidemichael]

Macron said:

janesmith1950 said:

On the S80 Yamaha V8 thing, my understanding (could be wrong), is that they were simply hired to build Volvo's design. Didn't the fist iteration of that engine also contain a fairly major design flaw in relation to oil?

Yes, build to print. Yam ran CFD and a mini bench test and said to Volvo it would sludge, Volvo said “build to print”. They did, it sludged.

Fortunately mods were applied before the engine got to us, it was the early American ones in the XC90 that suffered.

The Yamaha connection is bizzarely overblown.

I love the bearding; however, what's the connection (or not) to the Ford platform?

[E65Ross]

Can someone please convince me saving for a C216 CL500 is a bad idea? It'd be a fair while yet anyway.....whilst I do actually have enough in the bank to buy one now, I have savings in various accounts for other things which I don't want to tap into....my "car" account only has a little over £2k in it....so even if I were to stick £500/month into it we're realistically looking at 12+ months yet!

[CharlesdeGaulle]

E65Ross said:

Can someone please convince me saving for a C216 CL500 is a bad idea? It'd be a fair while yet anyway.....whilst I do actually have enough in the bank to buy one now, I have savings in various accounts for other things which I don't want to tap into....my "car" account only has a little over £2k in it....so even if I were to stick £500/month into it we're realistically looking at 12+ months yet!

I certainly wouldn't suggest it's a bad idea, but I would refer you back to my comment to you a few days back ref Lexus. If money's tight, I know where my money would go.

[Macron]

E65Ross said:

Can someone please convince me saving for a C216 CL500 is a bad idea? It'd be a fair while yet anyway.....whilst I do actually have enough in the bank to buy one now, I have savings in various accounts for other things which I don't want to tap into....my "car" account only has a little over £2k in it....so even if I were to stick £500/month into it we're realistically looking at 12+ months yet!

I refer the gentleman to page 1 of this very thread before we start another, as there are fine examples of C216’s loaded with finery.

I would think 12 months is more than adequate to have the cash, then worry if it really is what you want. Which it is.

[W00DY]

I do like a Touareg and this one looks great and should hopefully be quite robust in a lower spec with the 3.6?




https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Or if you prefer your 3.6 closer to the ground.


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Slightly chavved though. Are those meant to be Bentley logos on the headrests?

[tobinen]

EarlofDrift said:

Leapers look rubbish on anything other than a 90's XJ,.

I disagree very strongly

Edited by tobinen on Sunday 20th October 09:49

[RicksAlfas]

E65Ross said:

I remember when I went to Texas going in some American tank/station wagon estate thing. I have literally no idea what it was aside from the fact it was huge and had what looked like a panel of wood going down each side. It was certainly, erm, interesting in the corners. Fortunately, they don't have too many of them out there

Wagon Queen Family Truckster?

[W00DY]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-ROVER-800-827-SI-4...

Wonderful.

[Jimmy Recard]

ATM said:

Which metric is it superior, robustness?

I know American trucks are built to just keep on trucking forever but they're a cheap product in their home market.

What do they drive like? It seems most car people I know in UK tell me they're rubbish but I get the feeling that's just a reputation or brand thing with no substance.

Off the top of my head;
Live axles
Gearbox and engine don’t share a radiator
Limited slip differentials front and rear

More importantly though, that engine and gearbox just don’t really seem to fail like the BMW 4.4 and ZF in the Range Rover and ML, or the Rover V8 and ZF in the Discovery 2

Someone will compare me to 300bhp/ton for this post, but I’ve acknowledged it too soon

[Etypephil]

tobinen said:

EarlofDrift said:

Leapers look rubbish on anything other than a 90's XJ,.

I disagree very strongly

Edited by tobinen on Sunday 20th October 09:49

They look absolutely fine on those models to which they were originally fitted; otherwise see:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[E65Ross]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

E65Ross said:

Can someone please convince me saving for a C216 CL500 is a bad idea? It'd be a fair while yet anyway.....whilst I do actually have enough in the bank to buy one now, I have savings in various accounts for other things which I don't want to tap into....my "car" account only has a little over £2k in it....so even if I were to stick £500/month into it we're realistically looking at 12+ months yet!

I certainly wouldn't suggest it's a bad idea, but I would refer you back to my comment to you a few days back ref Lexus. If money's tight, I know where my money would go.

I wouldn't necessarily say money is tight....I have been saving anywhere between £500-1000 per month....but I have just spent around £8000 on getting my house painted/decorated, new carpets and fitted a split-system air conditioning unit in my bedroom so a lot of what I had saved has gone on that.....but that's all done now, and aside from needing to get my outhouse roof leak sorted that's the house done for some time now.

The fact that I know I could probably save £500 per month in saving up for the car would mean I COULD afford £400 per month in servicing (baring in mine tax, insurance etc will be higher) and there's no chance it should cost me that much to service/maintain it. The question is whether I want it that much to potentially NEED to spend that much disposable income on car servicing.

I barely use a car, I think between MOTs my car covered almost exactly 4000 miles, and around 1000 of those were in 2 UK-based holidays.....

Cheers - hope you're keeping well, otherwise, CdG?

[CharlesdeGaulle]

Etypephil said:

They look absolutely fine on those models to which they were originally fitted; otherwise see:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

I am not a fan of superfluous bonnet addenda either, but we now have Council mascots and Council sunroofs; where will it all end?