RE: Diesel replaces V8 in new Audi S6 and S7
Discussion
nickfrog said:
Indeed, I have a feeling they understand their business better than the average PH "expert".
I'm no expert but also not a subservient to all news, maybe refresh your memory.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions...
simonwhite2000 said:
A tuning box might not make much sense to you but it would not make sense to me to spend upwards of 10k more on something that had no difference in power.
Little odd logic, especially since 350hp is deemed to little. Why have you removed the possibility to box or properly tune this S6 in its turn? My point stands. Also, I assume the chassis set-up will be just a tad more involving, and a good engine response is more valuable to me than 50hp extra whatever. All those points make it different to the lower model for me. If I must have this size/weight of car, I would definitely check it out.
Onehp said:
simonwhite2000 said:
A tuning box might not make much sense to you but it would not make sense to me to spend upwards of 10k more on something that had no difference in power.
Little odd logic, especially since 350hp is deemed to little. Why have you removed the possibility to box or properly tune this S6 in its turn? My point stands. Also, I assume the chassis set-up will be just a tad more involving, and a good engine response is more valuable to me than 50hp extra whatever. All those points make it different to the lower model for me. If I must have this size/weight of car, I would definitely check it out.
nickfrog said:
TomScrut said:
Whilst I agree on the costs, I don't think it's desperation on Audi's part.
Indeed, I have a feeling they understand their business better than the average PH "expert".VAG need to get their fleet average CO2 output down or face a massive fine in a couple of years. These S models sell in sufficient volumes that their CO2 output matters (unlike RS models), so this makes sense from that sense. It's probably a choice between this and no more S models, irrespective of what customers would like.
dme123 said:
VAG need to get their fleet average CO2 output down or face a massive fine in a couple of years. These S models sell in sufficient volumes that their CO2 output matters (unlike RS models), so this makes sense from that sense. It's probably a choice between this and no more S models, irrespective of what customers would like.
The S6 was outsold by the RS6 over here in the UK.TomScrut said:
dme123 said:
VAG need to get their fleet average CO2 output down or face a massive fine in a couple of years. These S models sell in sufficient volumes that their CO2 output matters (unlike RS models), so this makes sense from that sense. It's probably a choice between this and no more S models, irrespective of what customers would like.
The S6 was outsold by the RS6 over here in the UK.mehmehmeh said:
Never really seen the point in say, an Rs6. It is a big heavy car, why do you need such a dynamic engine if diesel will do the job?
And every 400 miles you gotta refuel, which becomes tiresome when you are going from Scotland to Naples, Italy, for example.
This old chestnut. Some can afford the price and enjoy the experience. If you’ve got kids you won’t drive 100 miles without a wee stop so refuelling is mootAnd every 400 miles you gotta refuel, which becomes tiresome when you are going from Scotland to Naples, Italy, for example.
dunnoreally said:
Car industry's going through a lot of changes which many of us find kinda troubling but that you can at least argue are ultimately for the best even disregarding the environmental side of things. NA to turbo, ICE to EV and so on. Replacing a pair of v8 petrol saloons with diesel bloody hybrids, though? I'm going to be very interested to hear someone argue how this is supposed to be in our best interests as enthusiasts!
Enthusiasts? Are you fo real?! This is a mass market producer, no one cares about so called enthusiasts. It’s about sales. Even for premium mass market producers like Porsche. Why diesel? Who knows, maybe they plan to break into African market, though with Audi prices that will be difficult. Besides, who knows with Germans, they seem to be generally suicidal in the last 4 years, now they are dead set on killing their car industry as well.legless said:
Thesprucegoose said:
is it a company car?
Technically, no, at least not where HMRC are concerned. i.e. I don't pay any BIK on the car itself. It's a legitimate loophole used by the automotive manufacturers - they 'sell' a car to the employee at the price that the car is worth to them at the end of the production line, and 'buy' it back from them a few months later for the same price. Since this price is still lower than its value as a 6-month old used car, no benefit has been incurred by the employee in the eyes of HMRC and no BIK is applied.
Onehp said:
TomScrut said:
dme123 said:
VAG need to get their fleet average CO2 output down or face a massive fine in a couple of years. These S models sell in sufficient volumes that their CO2 output matters (unlike RS models), so this makes sense from that sense. It's probably a choice between this and no more S models, irrespective of what customers would like.
The S6 was outsold by the RS6 over here in the UK.I know if I had £60k to spend on a fast Audi estate it would be on the RS4 instead I think, especially given the petrol S6 has the same engine. Whereas if I did 50,000 miles a year or something I'd maybe take the diesel S6.
TomScrut said:
I don't think the S6 has ever outsold the RS6 has it? I can't think of the last time I saw a C5 S6, very rarely see a C6 S6 and hardly ever see C7 ones although I did see one a couple of weeks ago. C7 RS6s are a fairly common sight on the M62, C5 and C6 ones I see every now and then.
I know if I had £60k to spend on a fast Audi estate it would be on the RS4 instead I think, especially given the petrol S6 has the same engine. Whereas if I did 50,000 miles a year or something I'd maybe take the diesel S6.
I know if I had £60k to spend on a fast Audi estate it would be on the RS4 instead I think, especially given the petrol S6 has the same engine. Whereas if I did 50,000 miles a year or something I'd maybe take the diesel S6.
The "S" models have almost become a trim level tbh. I've not see one in years. Mainly replaced by farting RS3s.
In the grand scheme of things, it probably makes sense. The PCP gang only want it for the look, not the performance. So improving the monthly "affordability" might work in the favour of the "S" cars.
In the grand scheme of things, it probably makes sense. The PCP gang only want it for the look, not the performance. So improving the monthly "affordability" might work in the favour of the "S" cars.
tejr said:
The "S" models have almost become a trim level tbh. I've not see one in years. Mainly replaced by farting RS3s.
In the grand scheme of things, it probably makes sense. The PCP gang only want it for the look, not the performance. So improving the monthly "affordability" might work in the favour of the "S" cars.
You haven't seen any S models in years? Do you go around with your eyes shut or just playing up to the fact they don't look a lot different to S line?In the grand scheme of things, it probably makes sense. The PCP gang only want it for the look, not the performance. So improving the monthly "affordability" might work in the favour of the "S" cars.
I for one am gutted about this. the S cars were always a bit special over and above the standard models.
I was really looking forward to seeing what they were going to do with the new s6 and s7 seen as the logical step was to use the 2.9 engine.
I guess to some extent I can understand the derv but 350 bhp and no faster than the old bitdi. just rubbish for a whole new model.
I was really looking forward to seeing what they were going to do with the new s6 and s7 seen as the logical step was to use the 2.9 engine.
I guess to some extent I can understand the derv but 350 bhp and no faster than the old bitdi. just rubbish for a whole new model.
tejr said:
In the grand scheme of things, it probably makes sense. The PCP gang only want it for the look, not the performance. So improving the monthly "affordability" might work in the favour of the "S" cars.
I think it will, the car looks well and goes well whilst returning decent economy if you're doing 20-30k per year and fancy something a bit more than a 530d or A6 50TDi this will tick the box nicely for your car allowance payment. Nowt wrong with that.
Chamon_Lee said:
I for one am gutted about this. the S cars were always a bit special over and above the standard models.
I was really looking forward to seeing what they were going to do with the new s6 and s7 seen as the logical step was to use the 2.9 engine.
I guess to some extent I can understand the derv but 350 bhp and no faster than the old bitdi. just rubbish for a whole new model.
Yeah if it had the SQ7 V8 in it that would be a different matter altogether.I was really looking forward to seeing what they were going to do with the new s6 and s7 seen as the logical step was to use the 2.9 engine.
I guess to some extent I can understand the derv but 350 bhp and no faster than the old bitdi. just rubbish for a whole new model.
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