RE: Diesel replaces V8 in new Audi S6 and S7
Discussion
Seems like a slightly strange decision but likely driven by WLTP and needing to drive down averages. I'm sure it will be fast especially with all that torque, but in reality the power difference between this and the S4/S5 doesn't exist. Will make far more sense outside of Europe with them getting the 450hp 2.9 V6 which will no doubt be a better driver.
Also, outside of the regulations, Audi sell far more RS6s in Europe than the S6 or S7, so I expect this being a diesel really won't impact sales all that much, and will maybe even increase for fleet sales etc.
Also, outside of the regulations, Audi sell far more RS6s in Europe than the S6 or S7, so I expect this being a diesel really won't impact sales all that much, and will maybe even increase for fleet sales etc.
Going by how much of a poor seller the S6/7 was in Europe as the RS sold in much much higher numbers, I'm not surprised by the move, make it totally different to the RS rather than a just lower powered one. The US only get the S versions and not the RS so the Petrol engine makes the right choice as the halo model over there.
Lets hope depreciation is high, would make a nice swap to from my A6 BiTdi Avant
Lets hope depreciation is high, would make a nice swap to from my A6 BiTdi Avant
simonbamg said:
but the PH forum said this wouldn't happen, why didn't Audi consult us when planning the future strategy on the engines.....
That's because the PH car pundits are not very good at promoting their unrivalled expertise within the automotive industry, a real shame indeed.JD said:
simonwhite2000 said:
A6 55TFSI puts out 340bhp this diesel 350bhp - i know torque is way higher but it doesnt create much seperation does it. I would probably take the smooth 55 TFSI or a 50tdi with a tuning box and keep a huge chunk of cash (probably not far off £10k)
They look great but this is pretty weedy for an S6 in my view. The SQ7 engine would have been a much better idea and been more on par with the previous S6 from a power and sound perspective.
I was just about to post the exact same.They look great but this is pretty weedy for an S6 in my view. The SQ7 engine would have been a much better idea and been more on par with the previous S6 from a power and sound perspective.
This must be the slowest (relative to the other models) S6 ever?
The 55 does 0-62 in 5.1 seconds already.
I knew VW were really struggling on the emissions targets, I just wasn’t expecting such drastic measures as this!!!
"Just when it looked like diesel might have died a death as far as performance cars are concerned, Audi - and, by extension, Volkswagen - have made it clear that they still see life at the end of the oil-burning tunnel".
There isn't though, is there? Not really, anyway. Diesel can make more sense for these big, heavy German cars but surely any success with these models is going to be short-lived? Petrol hybrids are the obvious next step before full electrification and won't be a part of the ban in 2030. Hybrid diesels though?
The best thing that can happen for VWG here would be for these to be a massive sales flop. Or for the legislation to change that hybrid diesels will be okay for a while. I just can't see it though.
There isn't though, is there? Not really, anyway. Diesel can make more sense for these big, heavy German cars but surely any success with these models is going to be short-lived? Petrol hybrids are the obvious next step before full electrification and won't be a part of the ban in 2030. Hybrid diesels though?
The best thing that can happen for VWG here would be for these to be a massive sales flop. Or for the legislation to change that hybrid diesels will be okay for a while. I just can't see it though.
Big GT said:
Great news - Common sense prevails over hype.
Diesels provide real world power delivery and better economy than most petrol hybrids.
The wider market preferred the previous (diesel) SQ5 to the knee-jerk petrol version; an engine that WLTP laughed out of the bulding anyway. This move doesn't surprise me and the cars should provide very good real-world economy.Diesels provide real world power delivery and better economy than most petrol hybrids.
aaron_2000 said:
I love a quick diesel, but what's so special about this? They have the 4.0 V8 diesel that would've been great for this. I'd be really into it if it wasn't an S car, but as an S car it just leaves me a little too cold.
Exactly. It's wasn't long ago that an S6 V10 was famed for having a Lambo engine( even though it didn't). It's now been reduced to a V6 Diesel. Just wrong.Euughhhh....
I cannot think of a better way to make these cars less desirable and less deserving of the S lable.
They have always been the sane, more logical and affordable choice for those who do not want the RS range ( and the harsh ride that traditionally offered ) but now these cars have lost any possible reason to choose one.
Mercedes with their AMG "Light" version with 43 range sitting below the 63's , must be smiling at this decision.
I cannot think of a better way to make these cars less desirable and less deserving of the S lable.
They have always been the sane, more logical and affordable choice for those who do not want the RS range ( and the harsh ride that traditionally offered ) but now these cars have lost any possible reason to choose one.
Mercedes with their AMG "Light" version with 43 range sitting below the 63's , must be smiling at this decision.
Sad announcement for the S6 legacy. I have owned my 2013 S6 V8 since new and it’s been a great, reliable car with an understated presence and a genuinely surprising turn of speed. Personally speaking, a diesel replacement is an absolute turn-off as I was expecting the new model to have the 3.0 V6 petrol. Looks like I’m going to have to look beyond Audi for my next car.
Actually, I get this move.
The S6 was sat in no-mans land. A poor man's RS6 or a badge engineered A6. The 'S' used to be the top model, then RS hit every live-up leaving the S sat in the wilderness. BMW compete in this sector with a 'standard' 5-series 550i/d (although not in the UK), AMG get berated for calling the warm model an AMG, this new breed of 'S' makes it a more touring/comfort high performance options for the owners/drivers, the bulk of which will be higher-mileage management than can't justify the miles in an RS.
The S6 was sat in no-mans land. A poor man's RS6 or a badge engineered A6. The 'S' used to be the top model, then RS hit every live-up leaving the S sat in the wilderness. BMW compete in this sector with a 'standard' 5-series 550i/d (although not in the UK), AMG get berated for calling the warm model an AMG, this new breed of 'S' makes it a more touring/comfort high performance options for the owners/drivers, the bulk of which will be higher-mileage management than can't justify the miles in an RS.
culpz said:
"Just when it looked like diesel might have died a death as far as performance cars are concerned, Audi - and, by extension, Volkswagen - have made it clear that they still see life at the end of the oil-burning tunnel".
There isn't though, is there? Not really, anyway. Diesel can make more sense for these big, heavy German cars but surely any success with these models is going to be short-lived? Petrol hybrids are the obvious next step before full electrification and won't be a part of the ban in 2030. Hybrid diesels though?
The best thing that can happen for VWG here would be for these to be a massive sales flop. Or for the legislation to change that hybrid diesels will be okay for a while. I just can't see it though.
I'd say Audi have more knowledge than most of us on PH regarding upcoming markets, regulations etc. If they are investing in this tech. there is a calculated and strategic decision in doing this. They have some pretty smart people working for them who have more facts than most of us have guesses on the direction of the car industry.There isn't though, is there? Not really, anyway. Diesel can make more sense for these big, heavy German cars but surely any success with these models is going to be short-lived? Petrol hybrids are the obvious next step before full electrification and won't be a part of the ban in 2030. Hybrid diesels though?
The best thing that can happen for VWG here would be for these to be a massive sales flop. Or for the legislation to change that hybrid diesels will be okay for a while. I just can't see it though.
Stu08 said:
I'd say Audi have more knowledge than most of us on PH regarding upcoming markets, regulations etc. If they are investing in this tech. there is a calculated and strategic decision in doing this. They have some pretty smart people working for them who have more facts than most of us have guesses on the direction of the car industry.
nah according to PH they just had a punt hahaha For those of us in the UK, how many S6 or S7s do you actually see?
Whilst this change makes the car less desirable for myself, I can't afford one. The issue is that the old petrol S6 had two things stopping them from selling, the RS6 where people would just drop the extra money for it, or at the S6 priceband get an RS4 instead. This must be of greater appeal to somebody. But on the other hand I don't see why they didn't put the SQ7 engine in, as it stands the 55TFSI is on par with it more or less.
Whilst this change makes the car less desirable for myself, I can't afford one. The issue is that the old petrol S6 had two things stopping them from selling, the RS6 where people would just drop the extra money for it, or at the S6 priceband get an RS4 instead. This must be of greater appeal to somebody. But on the other hand I don't see why they didn't put the SQ7 engine in, as it stands the 55TFSI is on par with it more or less.
I’m sure Audi will have done their homework on this. BMW fit a diesel in their equivalent sub M car in the form of the M550d in Europe at least so Audi clearly aiming for the same market.
Ive always thought of the S6 as a top of the range A6, faster and better equipped than the others bought buy those with some boundaries when it comes to purchase and running costs. Anyone with no budget constraints just buys an RS6 don’t they?
Ive always thought of the S6 as a top of the range A6, faster and better equipped than the others bought buy those with some boundaries when it comes to purchase and running costs. Anyone with no budget constraints just buys an RS6 don’t they?
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