Are noisy ICE cars becoming embarrassing?
Discussion
tril said:
RS3 is not a 4 cylinder, it's got 5 and it sounds absolutely fantastic.
Totally agree, until a 'rice crispy and pop' map is added and it sounds like the engine is falling out of the exhaust. Without this the RS3 is up there as one of the best noises from a turbocharged (road legal) car, but it needs even the standing fart/gearchange removed.rallycross said:
The VAG 4 cylinder fake farting popping amplified exhaust sounds even at tick over ie S3/R/RS3 etc just sound pathetic, do the owners really get in start them up and think yeah, that sounds good? I dont know where this trend has come from but it sucks. Maybe send the VW/Audi engineers who have come up with this crap to some race meetings to see what nice sporty exhaust notes sound like.
The RS3 is a 5 cylinder, and sounds sublime. Rawwr said:
I think a part of the problem is that a lot of people seem to equate 'loud' with 'nice', which I find to be untrue in almost all cases.
My wife equates loud cars with broken cars 
We have a car dealer just up the road who specialises in "supercars", so we often have McLarens, Lambo's, Ferrari's etc burbling past the house. She either thinks the car has a broken exhaust or the driver is having a mid-life crisis Grahamdub said:
My wife equates loud cars with broken cars We have a car dealer just up the road who specialises in "supercars", so we often have McLarens, Lambo's, Ferrari's etc burbling past the house. She either thinks the car has a broken exhaust or the driver is having a mid-life crisis
Wife sounds narrow minded tbh. We have a car dealer just up the road who specialises in "supercars", so we often have McLarens, Lambo's, Ferrari's etc burbling past the house. She either thinks the car has a broken exhaust or the driver is having a mid-life crisis shantybeater said:
Totally agree, until a 'rice crispy and pop' map is added and it sounds like the engine is falling out of the exhaust. Without this the RS3 is up there as one of the best noises from a turbocharged (road legal) car, but it needs even the standing fart/gearchange removed.
The RS3 doesn't pop on the overrun like a lot of cars do now, it only does it on full bore downshifts when unburnt fuel is in the exhaust. Also I've never seen anyone with a map like that on an RS3, generally when they make a lot of those types of noises it's because the owner has removed the primary and secondary cats which is all you need to do to make them sound crazy.The DSG fart can be extremely loud and is more like a crack in the RS3, it sounds great I think. There's also a reason why it happens:
"Volkswagen came up with the concept of retarding ignition timing at the crucial moment of the gear change, effectively mimicking the act of lifting off the throttle. However fuelling and valve timing remain unaffected under this programming setup. This results in excess fuel being deposited into the combustion chamber, remaining un-ignited. When the next gear is engaged, ignition of the fuel is resumed via the spark plugs, and the excess fuel in the combustion chamber and exhaust manifold ignites creating that lovely “vroomph” fart/burp that we all know and love."
RemyMartin81D said:
Grahamdub said:
My wife equates loud cars with broken cars We have a car dealer just up the road who specialises in "supercars", so we often have McLarens, Lambo's, Ferrari's etc burbling past the house. She either thinks the car has a broken exhaust or the driver is having a mid-life crisis
Wife sounds narrow minded tbh. We have a car dealer just up the road who specialises in "supercars", so we often have McLarens, Lambo's, Ferrari's etc burbling past the house. She either thinks the car has a broken exhaust or the driver is having a mid-life crisis I love how a 30 grand, 300 BHP, 4WD performance Golf is classed as being a barry-boy car these days.
It must be those outrageous quad exhaust pipes, or the cheap lease deals that people simply cannot afford, that causes certain individuals to uncontrollably froth at the mouth. Oh, and don't forget about those DSG farts!
Only on PH, eh?
It must be those outrageous quad exhaust pipes, or the cheap lease deals that people simply cannot afford, that causes certain individuals to uncontrollably froth at the mouth. Oh, and don't forget about those DSG farts!
Only on PH, eh?
Edited by culpz on Thursday 18th April 13:31
culpz said:
I love how a 30 grand, 300 BHP, 4WD performance Golf is classed as being a barry-boy car these days.
It must be those outrageous quad exhaust pipes, or the cheap lease deals that people simply cannot afford, that causes certain individuals to uncontrollably froth at the mouth.
Only on PH, eh?
As I've said, nothing wrong with Golfs except for the farty noise they make. It must be those outrageous quad exhaust pipes, or the cheap lease deals that people simply cannot afford, that causes certain individuals to uncontrollably froth at the mouth.
Only on PH, eh?
The noise which appeals to the throbbers round here with a mental age of about three who proceed to demonstrate their flatulence over and over and over again as they drive up and down the high street.
Fast 'n Furious innit bruv.
Riley Blue said:
Rawwr said:
I think a part of the problem is that a lot of people seem to equate 'loud' with 'nice', which I find to be untrue in almost all cases.
That's certainly true for cars; there's no need for a road car to be unduly loud to sound 'nice', never has been.culpz said:
I love how a 30 grand, 300 BHP, 4WD performance Golf is classed as being a barry-boy car these days.
It must be those outrageous quad exhaust pipes, or the cheap lease deals that people simply cannot afford, that causes certain individuals to uncontrollably froth at the mouth. Oh, and don't forget about those DSG farts!
Only on PH, eh?
It's mainly the >40 year olds who never could have afforded (and still struggle to) such a decent car at the younger age some of these owners can be (20-25).It must be those outrageous quad exhaust pipes, or the cheap lease deals that people simply cannot afford, that causes certain individuals to uncontrollably froth at the mouth. Oh, and don't forget about those DSG farts!
Only on PH, eh?
Edited by culpz on Thursday 18th April 13:31
You will literally never please some people!
G30001 said:
Current driveway consists or 08 Golf R32 and B8 RS4 both have stainless exhausts.......I think you can guess my opinion on the matter!
Current Pet hate 4 pots with mapped in pops and bangs please stop, it isn't cool, we all know it's a map not a highly tuned engine
Says the one with 78hp/l and if you're lucky 108hp/l about 150-190hp/l engines that are at least as quick... The pops may help in reducing turbolag on upshift. Not a fan either but that last sentence doesn't resonate very well either... Current Pet hate 4 pots with mapped in pops and bangs please stop, it isn't cool, we all know it's a map not a highly tuned engine
AC43 said:
As I've said, nothing wrong with Golfs except for the farty noise they make.
The noise which appeals to the throbbers round here with a mental age of about three who proceed to demonstrate their flatulence over and over and over again as they drive up and down the high street.
Fast 'n Furious innit bruv.
Nailed it.The noise which appeals to the throbbers round here with a mental age of about three who proceed to demonstrate their flatulence over and over and over again as they drive up and down the high street.
Fast 'n Furious innit bruv.
Anyone who tries to justify the farty exhaust nonsense fits into the description above.
On a separate note - the vehicle most likely to be driven in a highly dangerous way in an urban area is a white or wrapped VAG dsg fart mobile with a fake black roof driven by the innit’s:
AC43 said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Anything too loud has always been embarrassing.
Where you can hear it from miles away, you just know a bellend is gonna be driving it.
I used to cycle to work through Regents Park and I used to come across a Carlos Fantango-type in his Maserati coupe with the exhaust valve stuck in the open position.Where you can hear it from miles away, you just know a bellend is gonna be driving it.
I could clearly hear him as he entered the park from half a mile away. It just sounded really t
ttish.I much prefer the subtle bark that an E63 or a 997 gives when the driver prods the throttle.
I think we all love a good sounding engine and if we can hear it when we're giving it the beans in an appropriate place then even better but something too loud just shouts t
t to everyone whether they like cars or not. Much like someone with a loud voice or laugh, it's simply embarrassing, even if we try our hardest not to care what other people think.Codswallop said:
I saw a Tesla Model S and Golf R have a cheeky race away from some traffic lights today. The Tesla pulled a significant gap while the Golf parped away in the slightly contrived way that all DSG VAGs seem to do. It looked/ sounded embarrassing in some ways; almost a case of all show and no go from the Golf (even though it's a quick car by most normal standards).
In the past Joe public associated noise with speed and power. However with the increasing prevalence of silent, instant torque EVs, I wonder how long it'll be before the loud and comparatively slow ICE cars begin to look old fashioned?
I love a nice sounding engine, but am aware that being a car enthusiast is a minority hobby, and one that is increasingly being frowned upon by certain people.
Will noisy cars always be a thing?
Got to say not matter how quick an Battery power car is. There is nothing better than the sound of a V8 roaring down the road I fact let’s be honest even a Petrol lawnmower sounds better long live Petrol engines In the past Joe public associated noise with speed and power. However with the increasing prevalence of silent, instant torque EVs, I wonder how long it'll be before the loud and comparatively slow ICE cars begin to look old fashioned?
I love a nice sounding engine, but am aware that being a car enthusiast is a minority hobby, and one that is increasingly being frowned upon by certain people.
Will noisy cars always be a thing?
As the owner of a TVR....nothing beats that sound. Most modern cars are lovely for the environment, but boring as hell! I own a very economical BMW for a daily driver and it’s great and efficient, but in terms of fun and proper engine noise, the TVR wins all day every day.
Most modern stuff at all levels is sensible and boring, feel sorry for new generation. :-)
Most modern stuff at all levels is sensible and boring, feel sorry for new generation. :-)
I have to agree that a big bore exhaust on a 10 year old Corsa is and always has been embarrassing - but mainly it's all about context - Anyone who thinks revving their engines up and down a residential street at 10pm is a total tool - doesn't matter if its a Corsa or a 1960s Ferrari. My Dad has an i3 - which is, I admit, bloody quick away from the lights - he's 75 and loves embarrassing the sales reps in their diesel A4's and 3 series beemers. But there's just something lacking - no drama.
Nothing quite beats the noise of a proper ICE flooring it in the right (and safe) place. I get more smiles than grimaces when driving my TVR - but then I'm not doing doughnuts in the local Lidl car park at an ungodly hour.
Nothing quite beats the noise of a proper ICE flooring it in the right (and safe) place. I get more smiles than grimaces when driving my TVR - but then I'm not doing doughnuts in the local Lidl car park at an ungodly hour.
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