RE: Diesel duo confirmed for Audi S5
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Maldini35 said:
S5 hasn’t been a decent steer for a while.
And as such, this diesel engine could be a good match, because I don't think it will be awful, it will probably the sportiest diesel ever made, and be a great drive for essentially an GT car. As for rev range, in truth the rev range is the ratio between the highest and lowest rpm you are happy to use, and despite this one not revving much above 5000rpm, it's range will be great. Rpm only means the pitch of the noise is lower...
As lastly, for those saying it will sound awful, the V6 TDI with an exhaust can sound pretty good... Wonder if it can be done to similar effect without ditching the DPF...
https://youtu.be/2HWQEVsjYBM
Amanitin said:
va1o said:
Very surprised that they've gone diesel for these
fleet average emission thing probably.Speaking of which, how JLR are planning to comply, no idea
HUGE mistake by Audi, chasing short sighted CO2 targets. I've had two S4 Avants, now on an RS4. Diesel S5 and soon to be S4 will not sell to enthusiasts. End of.
Audi needs to get petrol hybrid cars out there to drive down CO2. Odd Group logic; Porsche pulls out of diesel and Audi, IMO, ruins their S cars
Just as BMW Merc, Volvo (V60 T8 Polestar anybody?) get their s**t together and start selling and petrol estates
Spoke with an Audi S/RS specialist salesman a month ago and we was despondent at these moves by his employer. He and others were canvassing Audi hard to reconsider
Audi needs to get petrol hybrid cars out there to drive down CO2. Odd Group logic; Porsche pulls out of diesel and Audi, IMO, ruins their S cars
Just as BMW Merc, Volvo (V60 T8 Polestar anybody?) get their s**t together and start selling and petrol estates
Spoke with an Audi S/RS specialist salesman a month ago and we was despondent at these moves by his employer. He and others were canvassing Audi hard to reconsider
Not my thing but, thinking on it, it's kinda cool that they're doing this. Doesn't just differentiate the S cars from the RS-es. It also gives a proper distinction from the AMG 43s and the BMW 40is.
While I might not be a massive diesel fan myself, it's clear from this thread that a lot of PHers are, so it's great that those people get some new fast stuff.
While I might not be a massive diesel fan myself, it's clear from this thread that a lot of PHers are, so it's great that those people get some new fast stuff.
Steady downward spiral since the V10 for me. I know downsizing it the way things are going but it's not often a new model reduces power over the previous one, a 415 bhp in the old one to 350 odd in this one? Twinned with the diesel engine I can't imagine it's going to be that exciting to drive, might make a decent mile muncher though.
Madelvic said:
HUGE mistake by Audi, chasing short sighted CO2 targets. I've had two S4 Avants, now on an RS4. Diesel S5 and soon to be S4 will not sell to enthusiasts. End of.
Audi needs to get petrol hybrid cars out there to drive down CO2. Odd Group logic; Porsche pulls out of diesel and Audi, IMO, ruins their S cars
Just as BMW Merc, Volvo (V60 T8 Polestar anybody?) get their s**t together and start selling and petrol estates
Spoke with an Audi S/RS specialist salesman a month ago and we was despondent at these moves by his employer. He and others were canvassing Audi hard to reconsider
You might want to check who his employer is ...Audi needs to get petrol hybrid cars out there to drive down CO2. Odd Group logic; Porsche pulls out of diesel and Audi, IMO, ruins their S cars
Just as BMW Merc, Volvo (V60 T8 Polestar anybody?) get their s**t together and start selling and petrol estates
Spoke with an Audi S/RS specialist salesman a month ago and we was despondent at these moves by his employer. He and others were canvassing Audi hard to reconsider
silentbrown said:
How's that work, though? Presumably is based on cars sold, and S4/5/6/7 are an absolutely tiny proportion of their sales figures.
As was mentioned before, Porsche no longer offer Diesel in their range and I wouldn’t be surprised if the decision was taken to both lower CO2 emissions across the model range and at the same time make use of a scheduled production run of x thousands of Diesel engines that were planned to be fitted into Porsche Macans and the likes.VW is hard pressed at the moment. German press reported that they are so desperate to save costs that eg. colour print outs of documents are forbidden henceforth in the German production plants. Gotta come up with those 23bn USD in Diesel scandal related fines somehow...
It does say it will come with the choice of a 3 litre TFSI petrol too doesn’t it?.
I’ve recently bought an older model A5 3.0 TDI S tronic and I’m pretty impressed with it so far, it’s fairly fast and gets decent MPG, that engine with an extra 100 BHP is going to be quick!, in an S5 I have to admit I’d probably still pick the petrol though.
I’ve recently bought an older model A5 3.0 TDI S tronic and I’m pretty impressed with it so far, it’s fairly fast and gets decent MPG, that engine with an extra 100 BHP is going to be quick!, in an S5 I have to admit I’d probably still pick the petrol though.
silentbrown said:
No. Some markets (eg US) get petrol only. We get diesel only,
Sorry, I misread the article as the petrol is available in Europe too, not being to pick either/or seems like a bad move to me, particularly with diesel being frowned upon now.Personally I’d love a last gen S7, big, comfy, quick and far more reasonably priced than the RS.
Madelvic said:
HUGE mistake by Audi, chasing short sighted CO2 targets. I've had two S4 Avants, now on an RS4. Diesel S5 and soon to be S4 will not sell to enthusiasts. End of.
I am not sure they ever sold to enthusiasts tbh, not that there is an agreed definition of enthusiast anyway. Wouldnt their fleet sales be the A ranges, A4, A6 etc
Is it that their fleet sales are struggling and they think an S model will appeal over the rival offerings? Having said that, try finding a used petrol A4 or A6- almost entirely diesels.
I personally think the RS models have messed up their offering. Taking the A6/S6 they only needed a 3lt petrol/diesel in the A, and the tuned up 3lt petrol of the S4/5 carried across to the S6. The 4lt S6 is already too much.
Same with the S4 and 5 - already powerful enough so make those the halo models and make the 3lt petrol/diesel more appealing for those that do not want the full power or want a bit more comfort.
The RS should have been a limited hard core version of something drivable - RS3 and TTRS only. They do not really have a competitor for the m3 anyway.
Also wonder what will happen to these new diesels- presumably they will not find their way into the used market like they used to- that market unlikely to be there in 3-5 years time.
Is it that their fleet sales are struggling and they think an S model will appeal over the rival offerings? Having said that, try finding a used petrol A4 or A6- almost entirely diesels.
I personally think the RS models have messed up their offering. Taking the A6/S6 they only needed a 3lt petrol/diesel in the A, and the tuned up 3lt petrol of the S4/5 carried across to the S6. The 4lt S6 is already too much.
Same with the S4 and 5 - already powerful enough so make those the halo models and make the 3lt petrol/diesel more appealing for those that do not want the full power or want a bit more comfort.
The RS should have been a limited hard core version of something drivable - RS3 and TTRS only. They do not really have a competitor for the m3 anyway.
Also wonder what will happen to these new diesels- presumably they will not find their way into the used market like they used to- that market unlikely to be there in 3-5 years time.
menousername said:
Also wonder what will happen to these new diesels- presumably they will not find their way into the used market like they used to- that market unlikely to be there in 3-5 years time.
Good point. I can only think Audi is doing this for short term gain.I have always wondered if the 'S' model Audis are proper performance cars as they have always been in a strange limbo between the cooking models and the RS stuff. I guess with Audi using diesel engines they have answered the question with no, they are not.
Onehp said:
And as such, this diesel engine could be a good match, because I don't think it will be awful, it will probably the sportiest diesel ever made, and be a great drive for essentially an GT car.
As for rev range, in truth the rev range is the ratio between the highest and lowest rpm you are happy to use, and despite this one not revving much above 5000rpm, it's range will be great. Rpm only means the pitch of the noise is lower...
As lastly, for those saying it will sound awful, the V6 TDI with an exhaust can sound pretty good... Wonder if it can be done to similar effect without ditching the DPF...
https://youtu.be/2HWQEVsjYBM
I agree, Audi know how to make a good Diesel engine (emissions jokes aside) and it will probably suit the car better. The Audi 3.0 bi-Turbo Diesel was very impressive in my old A6.As for rev range, in truth the rev range is the ratio between the highest and lowest rpm you are happy to use, and despite this one not revving much above 5000rpm, it's range will be great. Rpm only means the pitch of the noise is lower...
As lastly, for those saying it will sound awful, the V6 TDI with an exhaust can sound pretty good... Wonder if it can be done to similar effect without ditching the DPF...
https://youtu.be/2HWQEVsjYBM
I guess we just need to think of the car differently, more GT less M3.
This makes sense.
Petrol's suite sporty cars no doubt and hot hatches, AMG's, 330i's etc. But Audi S cars aren't sporty, they are good however an S5, S6 etc offers real world pace and grip rather than interaction or handling.
I much preferer the VAG V6 diesels than the V6 petrol as they offer more real world performance and character in larger cars.
good call Audi
Petrol's suite sporty cars no doubt and hot hatches, AMG's, 330i's etc. But Audi S cars aren't sporty, they are good however an S5, S6 etc offers real world pace and grip rather than interaction or handling.
I much preferer the VAG V6 diesels than the V6 petrol as they offer more real world performance and character in larger cars.
good call Audi
I feel loads of people who comment on this stuff dont live in the real world. Audis pitch here is perfect. Petrolheads dont buy S cars anyway bar the S3. Everyone who I see in an S car is mid level management who wants something fast and understated to do miles in, the fact its now diesel will help loads more into the car due to BIK and co2.
I love my M2 but theres nothing more annoying than having to stop to put petrol in twice on a 400 mile round work trip.
Think of how many 435ds sell and how many more they would if they do a M440d.
Id have one of either.
I love my M2 but theres nothing more annoying than having to stop to put petrol in twice on a 400 mile round work trip.
Think of how many 435ds sell and how many more they would if they do a M440d.
Id have one of either.
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