RE: Diesel duo confirmed for Audi S5
Discussion
MrGTI6 said:
Totally agree. The ZF torque-converter auto is leagues ahead.
Exactly, it's all very subjective and depends on what you want from your car and what you enjoy. I just found it intensely irritating when at a junction/roundabout, you then start applying the throttle and there's a delay, the engine revs up a bit and then the car surges forward. The S Tronic box in the TTS I had previously and the A5 didn't do this and felt much more like a manual. I found the same thing when testing a C43 estate. When it's left in automatic mode, it seemed fine, but again, when taking control via the paddles, it just didn't seem as responsive as the dual clutch box. Chella said:
Petrolheads dont buy S cars anyway bar the S3..
I beg to differ. I regard myself as a petrolhead and I've had two S4s. Much underrated imo. Agree they are not a 'drivers' car, but candidly nor is my RS4. There, I said it. A chap called Chris Harris had a S4 too.......I've been fortunate to run S4s alongside more driver focussed cars. Audi has had the market sewn up with fast awd estates but I would not touch a diesel. Petrol hybrid definitely the way to go. Residual values on diesels have taken a battering and it's only going to get worse - look at used Macan prices as an example
Very short-sighted move by Audi and a cynical way to get CO2 levels down
I had envisioned for our next more comfortable but still 'interesting to drive' next car, the new M340i or the 330d with M-differential. The latter one making a bit more economical sense (depending on mileage). This S5 sportback (or S6 Avant if there is another kid) now arise as a possible alternatives, doing both things the bimmer does (performance AND frugality). So I am actually envisioning the possibility of owning an Audi, something that very rarely happens... Will be interesting to read the reviews and do the testdrives... That, or a BEV (2nd hand Tesla S)...
Leon R said:
culpz said:
Leon R said:
wab172uk said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Puts clear water between the S and the RS, anyway.
Which is a shame, as I think the S cars are better than the RS cars. Almost as quick in the real world, but a chunk less money to buy. Better mpg, and less likely to get nicked.Almost as quick as the RS in the real world? Yep.
Less money than the RS? Check.
Better MPG? Yes.
Less likely to be stolen? Debatable but certainly no more likely.
I get that if you don't want a diesel then you now have to look elsewhere but none of the parameters listed exclude diesel vehicles.
I'm not actually looking any further beyond that. Those other points are valid, but for people that have diesel as a non-starter when it comes to choosing a new car, it's now void. Simple as that really.
Ultrafunkula said:
culpz said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Puts clear water between the S and the RS, anyway.
Why now though? That's what I don't get. It seems daft that Audi have only just come to this conclusion now after doing things differently for the last how many years previously.Nickbrapp said:
Upto 45MPG, that means a average of 36-40, a petrol claims 36 so average 30-34, is it really worth it?
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Not only that, what about people that do 10k per annum and under, coupled with mainly town driving and minimal motorway trips? This means inevitable DPF issues that are not covered under warranty and can be an expensive PITA.I
culpz said:
Not only that, what about people that do 10k per annum and under, coupled with mainly town driving and minimal motorway trips? This means inevitable DPF issues that are not covered under warranty and can be an expensive PITA.
Are you aware basically all new gasolines now have GPF's? (Part of the silent Gasolinegate but without repercussions, because governments had forgotten to set relevant particulate emission targets for gasolines...)
Edited by Onehp on Thursday 18th April 15:40
Onehp said:
(Part of the silent Gasolinegate but without repercussions, because governments had forgotten to set relevant particulate emission targets for gasolines...)
Or, just maybe, because GDI particulate output is about 1:30th of diesel?AFAIK GPF regen doesn't require the same sustained high rev driving that DPFs need, so (assuming you drive far enough to get the car up to temperature) there's less of an issue with suitability. Also they don't dump fuel into the oil while trying to regenerate...
Edited by silentbrown on Thursday 18th April 15:58
It will probably be a brilliant long distance car. I had an A4 B8 3.0TDI which was excellent, good performance and economy blend. The B8 S4 I had afterwards was far more interesting to drive, but economy suffered. My current B9 S4 is even better in most respects, a bit more economical and quite a bit quicker. Not sure I would go for an S4 diesel next and virtually all the other manufacturers do not have a spare wheel, which I want, even if it is a space saver. I normally keep cars a maximum 4 years old so I get a good trade in figure, so 3 years to go, unless I get tempted by something!
The gearbox on my S4 is excellent, I had hesitation on the 3.0TDI unless in sport, I believe there are software upgrades for the earlier B9 8 speed boxes that solve their issues.
The gearbox on my S4 is excellent, I had hesitation on the 3.0TDI unless in sport, I believe there are software upgrades for the earlier B9 8 speed boxes that solve their issues.
Onehp said:
culpz said:
Not only that, what about people that do 10k per annum and under, coupled with mainly town driving and minimal motorway trips? This means inevitable DPF issues that are not covered under warranty and can be an expensive PITA.
Are you aware basically all new gasolines now have GPF's? (Part of the silent Gasolinegate but without repercussions, because governments had forgotten to set relevant particulate emission targets for gasolines...)
Edited by Onehp on Thursday 18th April 15:40
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