RE: Litchfield BMW M2 Competition: Driven
Discussion
I was lucky enough to have a decent drive in one of these last month, I loved it and it is every bit as fast as the E92 M3 but that being said there are a few things I would miss.
Firstly I'm not sure if it is the GPF that causes it but the noise was not good and seemed very quiet for an M car so I 100% get why someone would buy the akro or similar. Also I'm not sure if you can get them with EDC or not but the one I tried did not have it. Lastly it took me a while to get used to the steering, initially I put everything in sport+ but the steering is way too quick for me in that setting and dialing back to comfort was where I found it worked best.
Firstly I'm not sure if it is the GPF that causes it but the noise was not good and seemed very quiet for an M car so I 100% get why someone would buy the akro or similar. Also I'm not sure if you can get them with EDC or not but the one I tried did not have it. Lastly it took me a while to get used to the steering, initially I put everything in sport+ but the steering is way too quick for me in that setting and dialing back to comfort was where I found it worked best.
Max_Torque said:
er, is it not? I can ask the team of nearly 100 engineers working at a major UK OEM on the exhaust line how much they cost if you like?
Aftermarket exhausts may not cost that much because the people developing them don't, ie don't actually develop them, they just stuff in the biggest possible bit of shiny pipe and go "well, that's wicked init". To PROPERLY develop and exhaust IS a huge task, from the thermal work, to the acoustic tuning, to the productionisation and sorting out the supply chain. For example, have you ever thought about how the manufacturer makes the exhaust tip sit so nicely in the exact middle of the cut out in the rear bumper? I bet you haven't. What about tollerances in the bends causing the exhaust to hit the suspension, or about the thermal expansion, or about condensate trapping, or cabin boom, or what about where the (potentially very hot) exhaust goes in a crash when the powertrain moves, or when ground our on a speed hump, or or or (the list is really really long!)
All very valid points. For OEMs.Aftermarket exhausts may not cost that much because the people developing them don't, ie don't actually develop them, they just stuff in the biggest possible bit of shiny pipe and go "well, that's wicked init". To PROPERLY develop and exhaust IS a huge task, from the thermal work, to the acoustic tuning, to the productionisation and sorting out the supply chain. For example, have you ever thought about how the manufacturer makes the exhaust tip sit so nicely in the exact middle of the cut out in the rear bumper? I bet you haven't. What about tollerances in the bends causing the exhaust to hit the suspension, or about the thermal expansion, or about condensate trapping, or cabin boom, or what about where the (potentially very hot) exhaust goes in a crash when the powertrain moves, or when ground our on a speed hump, or or or (the list is really really long!)
Edited by Max_Torque on Wednesday 24th April 18:18
However given most cars share the same platform and thus exhausts this is not a major issue for the aftermarket where companies like Akrapovic charging £5k for an exhaust vs £1500 for a Scorpion [my point being that aftermarket exhausts are not expensive to 'develop' nor overly complicated to make]
If Dave at the exhaust shop down the road can fabricate some hangers up in 20 minutes to enable the exhaust to sit in the middle of the bumper on a shed built kit car, then I'm sure the team of 100 people have it very easy... :-)
Maybe you could hire Dave, I'm sure he'd be much cheaper.
Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 24th April 23:10
Plate spinner said:
IMI A said:
First M car that I've seen in a while thats super cool. Must be a rocket with 540bhp!!
Yeah, I’d agree with that. I like this, but I’d still have to test drive an older 6cyl Cayman first. Just to be sure.
andyeds1234 said:
Regarding the original M2...
"Twelve hours later the love affair was over.
Numb steering gave no impression at all of what the front axle was up to. Rock-hard rear tyres didn't stand a chance against a big wedge of turbocharged torque and a frigid road surface. Over the crests and undulations that pepper the moors like discarded burger wrappers outside a McDonald's, the M2 had so little body control I was convinced on more than one occasion we had been spat off"
Doesn't sound like any m2 I've driven
Exactly. When the M2 when first launched in 2016 it scored very highly in COTY features and group tests.... the standard M2 is still a hunny today "Twelve hours later the love affair was over.
Numb steering gave no impression at all of what the front axle was up to. Rock-hard rear tyres didn't stand a chance against a big wedge of turbocharged torque and a frigid road surface. Over the crests and undulations that pepper the moors like discarded burger wrappers outside a McDonald's, the M2 had so little body control I was convinced on more than one occasion we had been spat off"
Doesn't sound like any m2 I've driven
TobyTR said:
Exactly. When the M2 when first launched in 2016 it scored very highly in COTY features and group tests.... the standard M2 is still a hunny today
Magazines are a business. All the reviews were pretty much eulogising about the car. I collected one on launch day - and felt exactly the same as the comments made in the review. It’s only a year or more after launch that some journos started pointing out the obvious shortcomings of the car.
Alpinestars said:
TobyTR said:
Exactly. When the M2 when first launched in 2016 it scored very highly in COTY features and group tests.... the standard M2 is still a hunny today
Magazines are a business. All the reviews were pretty much eulogising about the car. I collected one on launch day - and felt exactly the same as the comments made in the review. It’s only a year or more after launch that some journos started pointing out the obvious shortcomings of the car.
TobyTR said:
Alpinestars said:
TobyTR said:
Exactly. When the M2 when first launched in 2016 it scored very highly in COTY features and group tests.... the standard M2 is still a hunny today
Magazines are a business. All the reviews were pretty much eulogising about the car. I collected one on launch day - and felt exactly the same as the comments made in the review. It’s only a year or more after launch that some journos started pointing out the obvious shortcomings of the car.
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